http://www.trackforum.com/forums/ en Thu, 20 Jun 2013 03:02:08 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.trackforum.com/forums/images/misc/rss.png http://www.trackforum.com/forums/ http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php?177779-Excessive-Doom&goto=newpost Tue, 18 Jun 2013 17:43:29 GMT Face it folks, IndyCar is a dying series. Let's just keep it propped up until the 100th running of the 500 and then just walk away.....
It's been a great 100 year ride, but we are watching the end of times ]]> irloyal http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php?177779-Excessive-Doom http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php?177645-2013-Champ-Car-Website&goto=newpost Sat, 15 Jun 2013 13:45:45 GMT http://champcar-ws.com/home Huh? http://champcar-ws.com/home

Huh? ]]> Tommy Milton http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php?177645-2013-Champ-Car-Website http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php?177477-The-Indy-500-without-IndyCar&goto=newpost Mon, 10 Jun 2013 14:26:30 GMT In the awful event that IndyCar eventually goes belly up and is not replaced by a similar sanction, what would happen to the '500'? Obviously, that individual race is far stronger than the series in general, but would it survive in this day and age without being embedded in a racing sanction? If it did survive, would it survive in a recognizable form? ]]> Rotosphere http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php?177477-The-Indy-500-without-IndyCar http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php?177463-post-Texas-discussion-of-the-series-direction&goto=newpost Sun, 09 Jun 2013 16:22:53 GMT Did the race/broadcast/empty aluminum seats help/hinder IndyCar?? I guess I'm a bit worried that a casual tuner-in last night saw a lot of empty seats and a "boring" race with little action in the front. Did this hurt our cause being in prime time with the show we presented?? ]]> ramberg http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php?177463-post-Texas-discussion-of-the-series-direction http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php?177226-Attendance&goto=newpost Sun, 02 Jun 2013 23:04:53 GMT Both Detroit and Dover had a lot of empties...a sign of the times I suppose...I suspect the ratings will be overwhelmingly in favor of Dover, but, the fact remains, motorsports in the United States is on a definite downturn for butts in the seat...the argument is that IndyCar does a lot of street... Both Detroit and Dover had a lot of empties...a sign of the times I suppose...I suspect the ratings will be overwhelmingly in favor of Dover, but, the fact remains, motorsports in the United States is on a definite downturn for butts in the seat...the argument is that IndyCar does a lot of street racing to take the product to the folks, but, both yesterday and today there obviously was low attendance...and those who are honest knows that's generally the case in other street venues...

So, what is the solution...racing cannot fill over built palaces nor can it fill small street venues...maybe TV should really be the only concern both series should have...after all, networks and sponsors pay big bucks for popular programming...see costs for Super Bowl ads and network payouts for the NFL...live attendance doesn't come close to paying salaries etc...The NFL is into socialist frameworks as is MLB...league television contracts are distributed...

NASCAR has a decent television basis, IndyCar doesn't...that is the problem and fixing that aspect is the solution to financial difficulties...IMS needs a much larger rating to grow the revenue, ditto other venues...filling the place only lines the pockets of IMS and does little or nothing for the series...I know this is going over what has been addressed before, but, what I'm saying here is, IndyCar don't waste resources to try and increase live attendance...it probably is not going to improve...use your resources to increase tv ratings...that's where the money is..

I know some talk of live streaming on the net, but, in my opinion that means of entertainment to the masses is a bit off in the future...the here and now is television...closed circuit, cable, dish or OTA...others have alluded to it and I think they are correct...Bernie could hold an event in the Arctic and make money because of up front dollars and tv revenue...IndyCar needs to rethink its path...just my opinion... ]]> hdolan http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php?177226-Attendance http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php?177198-Carlos-Muņoz-can-t-save-IndyCar&goto=newpost Sun, 02 Jun 2013 17:48:29 GMT Right now, we are in no position for actual chassis and engine competition. But there should be a strategic plan in place that would allow such a thing to happen. IndyCar projects itself to be in the exact same spot in eight years as it is now, though, since the plan through 2021 is all about... Right now, we are in no position for actual chassis and engine competition.

But there should be a strategic plan in place that would allow such a thing to happen.

IndyCar projects itself to be in the exact same spot in eight years as it is now, though, since the plan through 2021 is all about the DW12 and a post-2018 evolution of it (which will be delayed to 2021, anyway, if the DW12 itself and the aerokits are an indication).

Add to it that they'll never find a catchfencing solution, and until they do, 237 will be unsafe for drivers and fans.

I'm glad they told me what the next eight years will be like so I didn't have to bother watching them to find out.

This just isn't my sport anymore. ]]> ab http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php?177198-Carlos-Muņoz-can-t-save-IndyCar http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php?176886-There-is-no-pleasing-some-people&goto=newpost Mon, 27 May 2013 13:50:41 GMT I quit. Seriously, this board can suck the life and joy out of Christmas Morning, and do it in record pace. I attended the 97th running of the Greatest Spectacle in Racing, drove home, watched the replay and then made the biggest mistake of the day. I came to TF. IS THERE NO PLEASING THIS... I quit.

Seriously, this board can suck the life and joy out of Christmas Morning, and do it in record pace. I attended the 97th running of the Greatest Spectacle in Racing, drove home, watched the replay and then made the biggest mistake of the day. I came to TF.

IS THERE NO PLEASING THIS GROUP????

I swear this board bitched about everything:

ABC sucked/didn't suck
Get there early, IMS sucks (long lines)
Racing is manufactured, boring, etc
Hate the cars
Kat Legge is good/sucks
etc
etc
etc

This is the biggest event of the year for IndyCar and every thread on this board has people bitching and moaning.

You seriously wonder why this sport is having trouble. IMS and Indycar, no matter what they do, CAN'T PLEASE YOU (TF People)

I had issues yesterday but I am of the assumption that the people of importance will take care of it and it won't be a problem again. As for this board, I'm done. I will continue to watch every race (and not ***** about the broadcast) I will also continue to attend races. I will also continue to love it, period. I LOVE INDYCAR and I can't let this board keep bringing me down with all of your petty BS.

I took two people to the race yesterday. They are 6 & 9. They thought it was the greatest thing. IMS just got 2 life long ticket buyers. I did my part and I won't let this board bring me down. It was the greatest race weekend I ever attended. Sorry if some of you are so miserable that you have to suck the joy out of it. Find something else in your life to bring you joy.

SC ]]> smk6086 http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php?176886-There-is-no-pleasing-some-people http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php?176880-Isn-t-that-ironic&goto=newpost Mon, 27 May 2013 12:09:33 GMT KK's team getting to drink the milk before TG's:gomer-cap ]]> OrdinaryRaceFan http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php?176880-Isn-t-that-ironic http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php?176529-Am-I-Wrong-About-Indycar&goto=newpost Tue, 21 May 2013 21:16:59 GMT I'm not sure if this will be my last post on this forum or not. I've met, bickered with, cheered with, cried with, drank beers with, shook hands with, yelled/screamed at, laughed at, a lot of you. We sometimes agree and we sometimes disagree, but we all have 1 common love. Indycar.

With the recent things that have been brought to my attention, I think its about time to get them off my chest.

The Indianapolis 500 has meant EVERYTHING to me since I was born. I was born into the sport, among other types of racing. There are pictures of my mom pregnant with me at Pole Day in 1987. I lived for May. It was the one thing I looked forward to every year, even more than getting out of school. My teachers used to tease me that if I knew as much as I did about the subject they were teaching than about the Indianapolis 500 and Indycar, that I would be teaching their class one day. I've worked tirelessly through my life (even got so bad one year that I sold plasma and semen and also had a garage sale (sold most of my clothes to have money to go the 500) while I was in college) Those were the "golden days." Now, with the things going on, I think I am better suited putting my eggs into another basket. The way things have been going, I think it is time for me to step away. I think it will be best served as a memory if I remember it the way it was than where it's going.

People, not history, have ruined this sport. (The one I have been defending for years upon years)

I went to Pole Day and Bump Day last weekend and was dumbfounded at the things I saw. I saw rusted out grandstands, disgusting bathrooms, pathetic attendance (thats been going on for years) and poorly executed attempts at trying to put a "flare" back into a failing product.

Here is my summary of disappointments

- Ruining an homage of tradition
- Management
- VERY Poor Decision Making
- Lack of motivation
- $100 dollar ticket prices (15% markup)
- Broken Empty Promises (Cars / Engines / Aero Kits / etc)
- Years upon years of no one caring

It is honestly one dumb a** idea after another and I can't take it anymore.

I'd rather follow something that had their s*** together and ran in a professional manner.

I used to think it was pure blasphemy to think that The Indianapolis 500 is "just another race" but you know what the saddest thing I have had to deal with is? The fact the Indianapolis 500, is in fact, just another race. Tradition thrown out the window, commercialization of the sport, integrity of drivers, team owners, league personnel, everyone, compromised, and things being ran like a freak side-show circus. Gimmicks that are pathetic among other stupid schemes. Think about this for a minute, if you had never heard of the Indycar Series (anywhere in the world) and then looked up its history, and what it has become. Would you want to follow something ran so unprofessionally? I've seen piece of trash dirt tracks ran more smoothly (both as a series and an independent facility). There is absolutely no excuse for it. None.

What has Indycar done about fixing their problems? Absolutely Nothing. Think about if the company that you worked for ran their business like IMS and Indycar. You wouldn't even have a job.
I work in marketing and advertising at a high level. I know how this stuff works. You need to make your client feel as if they are getting more for their dollar than anticipated. Thats how you do this successfully. (Just like Chevrolet giving away those free tshirts at the track all month. They made the consumer feel as if they had won.)

Why in the world would I want to pay $100 for a ticket when I can go see 3 races at Eldora for the week w/ camping included (Dream and World 100) for $20 bucks cheaper than that and be in an atmosphere where it is EXACTLY like the Indy 500? You can't garner more business (which is already failing and try to market it to new people) by raising prices. Thats completely insane and ridiculous. Hell, if 200,000 people pay $100 dollars each for a ticket (20 million dollars) that pays your ENTIRE purse and some. Not to mention your merchandising, beer sales, and food sales. They aren't hurting for money over on 16th and Georgetown Rd. This is a ploy to put more money back into it because they messed up a long time ago. Jokes on them, but it isn't going to be at my expense.

Example: Hey John, you should come check out my new band playing this weekend in Indianapolis. We have only played 1 show. Just a reminder that there is a 15 dollar cover charge to get in. What kind of sense does that even make? It doesn't.

Hope you guys watch those businessmen line those pockets with BAGS upon BAGS of your cash while you just smile and watch them drive off.

All in all, I'm tired. I'm only 25 years old and have seen enough that makes me want to throw up. A lot of us strive on things being the same. Thats all some of us still have. I can't believe that some of you have endured so long.

Maybe its because I can't keep putting into something so much that has zero output back to me. Maybe I'm like the article that a gentleman wrote about one of my heroes Swede Savage.


"Maybe the reason I don't have heroes anymore is because I grew up and got too old for them, or maybe its because sometimes it still hurts just a little."


- Ryan Spear ]]> INDY500FAN13 http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showthread.php?176529-Am-I-Wrong-About-Indycar