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    Wonder what it was like to steer that thing with all that positive camber?
    "why yes honey, I do think you look fat in that dress"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SZautke View Post
    Look for an Open Wheel magazine from 1982, featuring the Phoenix CART race. Explains Krueger plan on updating the old McLaren.

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    Would that I still had my OTs...they disappeared during one of my many gypsy moves in the 80s and early 90s... (sigh)

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    We have a hand in restoration of the 1966-1967 Gordon Johncock Gerhardt Indy cars. My father Dick Deming Painted the cars and was on the team. We are desperately seeking any photos especially color of these cars from any locations. We are looking for detail shots of the cars especially rear end shots. Please contact me here or via email.

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    Goron johncok photos needed 1966-1970

    We have a hand in restoration of the 1966-1967 Gordon Johncock Gerhardt Indy cars. My father Dick Deming Painted the cars and was on the team. We are desperately seeking any photos especially color of these cars from any locations. We are looking for detail shots of the cars especially rear end shots. Please contact me here or via email.

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    openwheel33.com has pics of both '66 & '67 cars under "liveries" on their menu

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    A Footnote in History

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    Effectively, the last roadster built. Unfortunately it was too late to the party...

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    Maxson Special

    Agree, it was too late. However it seems to have several interesting stories. Although it had its fare share of DNQ's it did compete; Phoenix 1969 Bruce Walkup started 24th and finished 8th; June 8, 1969 Rex Mays Classic in Milwaukee George Benson started 22nd and finished 14th, and on March 28, 1970 at the Phoenix 150 George Snider started 12th and "survived" to finish 7th. Quinn Epperly appeared to put a lot of thought into the "packaging" of the car, the turbo was located right behind the left front wheel. The rear suspension was Epperly's interpretation of a transaxle adapted to a deDion suspension (I neglected to take a snap, if anyone has a pic I'd like to see it). The team ownership was a partnership between Darwin Maxson and Dean Jeffries. I believe that Maxson was Jeffries father-in-law at the time. Jeffries was famous for his pin striping talent and he painted many of the Indycars during that era. If memory serves me correctly the Maxson Special was not the last roadster to compete, I think that still goes to Jim Hurtubise and his Mallard, at Michigan in 1972, where Hurtubise started 26th and finished 23rd. Believe the Maxson currently resides in the Jim Lattin collection, in Encinitas, CA. I took this pic in the Milwaukee pits, in the early AM, it was freezing cold, that's why the guys in the photo are wearing jackets and have their hands in their pockets!

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    I've seen several photos of the car, but I don't think any of them were with the body panels removed. That would be interesting! Definitely a slick looking piece! And yes, I remember Dean Jeffries from the custom car days. The Mantaray...


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    Unusual

    OK TFers weigh in on all the unusual, unique, ingenius things going on in this famous Indy entry.[IMG]

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    Having that thing cough back through the carburetors could get a bit exciting (or are those injectors?)...

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    Pretty sure those are Winfield carburetors,.....hint, hint.

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    Seems to me to be the first incarnation of the famous Winfield V8 (aka Novi) engine in the 1935 Miller-Ford chassis. The three carbs feed directly into the supercharger behind the firewall.

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    What low tech modification is clearly visible, used to "manage" the Winfield V8's power?

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    The piece of wood limiting accelerator pedal movement Though I wonder whether that's "original".

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    It might also keep the linkage from going to a place where it could get stuck...

    Also, I see some zip ties in the upper right. Those definitely are not original...

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    Ralph Hepburn

    The wooden block was "original" as of 1941. That's when Lew Welch and Bud Winfield signed up Ralph Hepburn to drive the car. It appears the engine basically overpowered the chassis and tires and Hepburn had a difficult time controlling the power. So to control the car Hepburn placed a wooden block between the accelerator and the bulkhead. The carburetor installation in the photo gives new meaning to the term "firewall." There are many similarities in the career paths of both Ralph Hepburn and Joe Leonard; graduating from two wheels to four. It appears that Hepburn was one of the few drivers to take on the Novi's during their early years, ignoring their risky and problematic reputation.

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    If I remember correctly, the problem was that at one point in the rev range the power took a BIG jump. Initially the Cosworth suffered the same problem. Basically in both cases, the power delivery was no longer progressive. It was just a big spike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerslide View Post
    The wooden block was "original" as of 1941. That's when Lew Welch and Bud Winfield signed up Ralph Hepburn to drive the car. It appears the engine basically overpowered the chassis and tires and Hepburn had a difficult time controlling the power. So to control the car Hepburn placed a wooden block between the accelerator and the bulkhead. The carburetor installation in the photo gives new meaning to the term "firewall." There are many similarities in the career paths of both Ralph Hepburn and Joe Leonard; graduating from two wheels to four. It appears that Hepburn was one of the few drivers to take on the Novi's during their early years, ignoring their risky and problematic reputation.

    Hepburn was certainly qualified to evaluate the car and install that piece of `traction control`. The year before he had driven the same chassis, then still fitted with an Offy engine. in the wo years before, the very same chassis, with Offy powered had finished 6th and 3rd. So it was not that the basic chassis was known to be a bad handler. But from what I have understood, Flatlander'_48's reply above covers it pretty much but there was also the proplem that the engine was much more heavy than the Offy or the original Ford V8 for which the chassis was designed. So apart from the peaky engine, handling as also detatiated thanks to a much changed weight distribution and balance. And there was of course the risk of ruining the entire drive line when releasing all torque and power onto the tiny gearbox components....

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