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    Quote Originally Posted by comfortably numb View Post
    OK.... Ok... I admit it!!!!
    We had an affair.
    It ended badly.
    You had an affair with Earhart while you 2 were in a Saipan prison?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indyknut View Post
    You had an affair with Earhart while you 2 were in a Saipan prison?
    He likes older women in exotic locales.
    It's a Hoosier thing, you wouldn't understand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by comfortably numb View Post
    OK.... Ok... I admit it!!!!
    We had an affair.
    It ended badly.
    Don't all of your's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Fury View Post
    What really happened is 1937 long-distance navigation getting the better of a mediocre pilot over a remote stretch of open ocean.

    It's fun to believe on coverups and conspiracies and such, but sometimes things just go wrong. Especially in aviation, and especially in aviation back then.
    Was she considered a mediocre pilot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by comfortably numb View Post
    OK.... Ok... I admit it!!!!
    We had an affair.
    It ended badly.
    Don't they always?
    Eff LBD!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mstove View Post
    Don't they always?
    It must have something to do with the heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Paff View Post
    Was she considered a mediocre pilot?
    She was an excellent spokesperson for aviation in general and women in aviation in particular, but piloting skills require a steady accumulation of experience like anything else, something her intensive schedule of speaking engagements, public appearances, photo ops, and business interests seldom permitted. On that front, she was nowhere near as experienced and skilled as contemporaries like Pancho Barnes or Jackie Cochran. She was a more media-friendly public face for aviation than the tough, colorful likes of Barnes or Cochran, and was married to a media mogul.

    Coupled with that is the fact that long-distance aerial navigation was still in its infancy at the time. Fred Noonan, whatever his faults may have been, was a fine, experienced navigator. But even for a respected navigator such as him, there was still a great potential for error when it came to navigating long distances over water in 1937, and regardless, it is the pilot-in-command who makes the decisions. All it would have taken was a minor error on Noonan's part, or an equipment failure, or Amelia questioning or otherwise not heeding Noonan's directions at the wrong time, and there you have it. You've missed the little tiny island you were aiming for, you're lost over featureless open water, decades before GPS and with primitive new radio nav equipment that you don't really trust, and when the fuel inevitably runs out, you've lost a little aluminum airplane in a vast, deep part of the ocean. It doesn't take any complex conspiracy for that to happen, not even now, and certainly not 80 years ago.
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    Heck they cant find giant aluminum airplanes lost in a deep part of the ocean now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Fury View Post
    She was an excellent spokesperson for aviation in general and women in aviation in particular, but piloting skills require a steady accumulation of experience like anything else, something her intensive schedule of speaking engagements, public appearances, photo ops, and business interests seldom permitted. On that front, she was nowhere near as experienced and skilled as contemporaries like Pancho Barnes or Jackie Cochran. She was a more media-friendly public face for aviation than the tough, colorful likes of Barnes or Cochran, and was married to a media mogul.

    Coupled with that is the fact that long-distance aerial navigation was still in its infancy at the time. Fred Noonan, whatever his faults may have been, was a fine, experienced navigator. But even for a respected navigator such as him, there was still a great potential for error when it came to navigating long distances over water in 1937, and regardless, it is the pilot-in-command who makes the decisions. All it would have taken was a minor error on Noonan's part, or an equipment failure, or Amelia questioning or otherwise not heeding Noonan's directions at the wrong time, and there you have it. You've missed the little tiny island you were aiming for, you're lost over featureless open water, decades before GPS and with primitive new radio nav equipment that you don't really trust, and when the fuel inevitably runs out, you've lost a little aluminum airplane in a vast, deep part of the ocean. It doesn't take any complex conspiracy for that to happen, not even now, and certainly not 80 years ago.
    I think you have a reasoned approach to what happened but I think I disagree with your comment of Amelia Earhart as being mediocre. She was accomplished as can be in the 30s. No matter who attempted the first circumnavigation of the Earth would have faced the same. She almost got around the world. That was an accomplishment in itself.
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    Photo published in Japan two years before her disappearance according to blogger.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/amelia-ea...200137286.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davydd View Post
    I think you have a reasoned approach to what happened but I think I disagree with your comment of Amelia Earhart as being mediocre. She was accomplished as can be in the 30s.
    http://www.historynet.com/amelia-earhart :

    As one biographer noted: Unfortunately, though highly intelligent, a quick learner, and possessed of great enthusiasm, Amelia did not, it seems, possess natural ability as a pilot. This is no disparagement of Amelia, it is simply the view of many of her contemporaries in the flying world.
    https://airandspace.si.edu/explore-a...on/earhart.cfm :

    Though Earhart was the most famous woman pilot, she was not the most skilled.
    And this was a sentiment echoed by many pilots of the era, including her friends, both male and female.

    It's not to say she was a "bad" pilot, really-just that her position allowed her to set ambitious and very public goals that her skill level couldn't quite match. (She had wadded up a few airplanes and autogyros well before the circumnavigation attempts. Her first attempt at a circumnavigation in the Electra, westbound, ended in Hawaii with a groundloop that was the fault of either a blown tire, if you asked the press, or pilot error, if you asked Paul Mantz, who was there.) She wasn't the first pilot of the era, male or female, to fall into that trap, and it certainly still happens today. She was a fine ambassador for aviation, but just as airplanes don't care whether you're male or female, airplanes don't care about your image, either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Davydd
    No matter who attempted the first circumnavigation of the Earth would have faced the same.
    Except it wasn't even close to the first aerial circumnavigation of the Earth. Army Air Service crews had first done it 13 years earlier.

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    I've always said the Japanese got her. Nice to know someone else thinks that.

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    Contemporaries/peers are never jealous of people who make more headlines than them. That never happens and people who don't gain as much fame are always objective about those who have.

    Not actually arguing, just pointing out that sometimes people with those takes are right, but sometimes jealousy plays a part - intentional or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurt Cobain View Post
    I've always said the Japanese got her. Nice to know someone else thinks that.
    Not really. See posts above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mstove View Post
    Contemporaries/peers are never jealous of people who make more headlines than them. That never happens and people who don't gain as much fame are always objective about those who have.

    Not actually arguing, just pointing out that sometimes people with those takes are right, but sometimes jealousy plays a part - intentional or not.
    Paul Mantz was signed on to be her technical assistant/copilot on the first circumnavigation attempt. He had instructed Amelia on long-distance flying in the Electra, had flown out to Hawaii aboard the plane with her and the rest of her crew, and had flown the airplane from Wheeler Field to what was then known as Luke Field on Ford Island, where the groundloop took place. The other people tend to be people who knew and cared about her and called her a friend, and were already well-known in their own right, like Pancho Barnes and Jackie Cochran, who were already well-known record-setters themselves, and Mantz, a well-known Hollywood stunt pilot. (After the war he would go on to win the Bendix Trophy 3 straight times in a Mustang, and pilot an actual B-17 through the belly landing that kicks off the movie Twelve O' Clock High.)

    It's fun and even comforting to believe in conspiracy theories and such, but the fact is, most of the time they are merely psychological constructs people use to help them deal with things they don't understand or don't want to deal with. To acknowledge that a famous person, a person of accomplishment, can be done in by equipment failure or a simple navigational error isn't a comforting thought, because that means it can happen to anyone. But that doesn't make the conspiracy theory true. It's no fun to believe that they crashed into the ocean and drowned; it's more comforting to believe that they juuuuust made it to an island and either died a couple of hapless Gilligans or got captured by the Japanese while on some super-duper-uber-top-secret mission like heroes. But the fact is, big oceans eat little airplanes. Just like the days of the clipper ships (still within living memory then) when a ship's story often ended with the words, "...and was never seen nor heard of again."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Fury View Post
    Paul Mantz was signed on to be her technical assistant/copilot on the first circumnavigation attempt. He had instructed Amelia on long-distance flying in the Electra, had flown out to Hawaii aboard the plane with her and the rest of her crew, and had flown the airplane from Wheeler Field to what was then known as Luke Field on Ford Island, where the groundloop took place. The other people tend to be people who knew and cared about her and called her a friend, and were already well-known in their own right, like Pancho Barnes and Jackie Cochran, who were already well-known record-setters themselves, and Mantz, a well-known Hollywood stunt pilot. (After the war he would go on to win the Bendix Trophy 3 straight times in a Mustang, and pilot an actual B-17 through the belly landing that kicks off the movie Twelve O' Clock High.)

    It's fun and even comforting to believe in conspiracy theories and such, but the fact is, most of the time they are merely psychological constructs people use to help them deal with things they don't understand or don't want to deal with. To acknowledge that a famous person, a person of accomplishment, can be done in by equipment failure or a simple navigational error isn't a comforting thought, because that means it can happen to anyone. But that doesn't make the conspiracy theory true. It's no fun to believe that they crashed into the ocean and drowned; it's more comforting to believe that they juuuuust made it to an island and either died a couple of hapless Gilligans or got captured by the Japanese while on some super-duper-uber-top-secret mission like heroes. But the fact is, big oceans eat little airplanes. Just like the days of the clipper ships (still within living memory then) when a ship's story often ended with the words, "...and was never seen nor heard of again."
    I said nothing in support of conspiracy theories. Only that contemporaries with less fame aren't always the best judges (outside of Lindbergh and Earhart, the list of famous aviators is small for people who aren't actively associated with it). That stands even if they were people who knew and cared about her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mstove View Post
    I said nothing in support of conspiracy theories. Only that contemporaries with less fame aren't always the best judges
    No....but people with demonstrated expertise in the same field are. Fame does not equate to expertise. As I said before, Earhart's fame (and resulting demands on her time) may have actually worked against her in that regard.

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    She was such a hopeless romantic:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurt Cobain View Post
    I've always said the Japanese got her. Nice to know someone else thinks that.
    ....aaaaand discredited, per post #70.

    Also, this: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2...scredited-spd/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Wilke View Post
    She was such a hopeless romantic:

    Cripes, that could have been written by Ayn Rand...

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    Word is, she and her co-pilot were taken prisoner by the Japanese and forced to perform at airshows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midtown View Post
    Photo published in Japan two years before her disappearance according to blogger.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/amelia-ea...200137286.html

    What channel claimed about a year ago that the D.B. Cooper case was solved over a two day episode that at the end of the show the FBI stated was totally false and they were closing the case as unsolvable?

    What is next ? Bigfoot is discovered ? The zodiac killer is solved ? The Roswell alien body has been found ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stockblock View Post
    What channel claimed about a year ago that the D.B. Cooper case was solved over a two day episode that at the end of the show the FBI stated was totally false and they were closing the case as unsolvable?

    What is next ? Bigfoot is discovered ? The zodiac killer is solved ? The Roswell alien body has been found ?
    Don't forget Judge Crater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stockblock View Post
    Bigfoot is discovered ? The zodiac killer is solved ? The Roswell alien body has been found ?
    Rob Lowe is working on it.

    The movie made a good argument for a probable killer.

    It's not dead...

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    Well i found the answer. It was the history channel that did a 2 day 4 hour show abut a year ago claiming D. B. Cooper was solved. Then in the last 10 minutes of the 4 hour show they took it to the FBI who said it was rubbish and were closing the case. Now the same channel does a show claiming this picture help solves the Earhart case which again turns out to be false.

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    I thought Randy Quaid was the Roswell alien?

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