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    Quote Originally Posted by KevMcNJ View Post
    I understand why they locked in the tracks with that 5 year agreement a few years back but it locked in an already stagnant and overplayed schedule.

    Ive said for quite some time now they need to have a handful of open dates on the schedule each year and pencil in tracks that get a NASCAR weekend just once every other year or 3 years.

    I know the lack of SAFER walls shuts out a lot of great short tracks but theres gotta be a practical workaround for this. I know they give Eldora an exemption but those trucks are barely going faster than the haulers that got them there.

    Look up Evergreen Speedway in Washington State. They could easily sell 35,000 tickets if there was a practical and affordable way to install portable SAFER and a bunch of stands.


    NASCAR isn't F1. Theyre gonna have to "slum it" a few times a year if they want any relevance in the future
    That is a great idea.. Also NASCAR should get Rockingham back on the schedule..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Paff View Post
    That is a great idea.. Also NASCAR should get Rockingham back on the schedule..
    Indycars should go there as well, I think that would be an exciting weekend of good short track racing at a forgotten place. NASCAR always put on a good show there and I think Indycars could too.
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    Indycars should go there as well, I think that would be an exciting weekend of good short track racing at a forgotten place. NASCAR always put on a good show there and I think Indycars could too.
    Rockingham seats 25k or so and is in the middle of nowhere. Have fun trying to make money off of the event if you're Indycar.
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    I did catch an ARCA race at Rockingham after it reopened around 2008 or so.

    It reminded me of Dover with a kink on the main straight.

    The thought of IndyCar going to another Dover makes me wonder...




    We have to drive past the city of Rockingham on the way to a couple short tracks on the I-95 corridor.

    It is definitely "out there"

    They've widened the highway outside of town but theres still really no good way to get there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveL View Post
    Rockingham seats 25k or so and is in the middle of nowhere. Have fun trying to make money off of the event if you're Indycar.
    Iowa Speedway seats about 30k and is also in the middle of no where and Indycar has raced there every year since 2007.

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    I had to look it up but it appears Iowa sits right on the interstate.

    Rockingham has no such luxury. Its BFE.

    74 is a terrible ride to get there. 10,000 stop lights and a bunch crappy little speed trap towns to get there from Charlotte or I-95

    Don't even get me started on what 74 is like in and around Charlotte.

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    True, I looked into it as well and you are correct. Iowa Speedway is a solid 50 minute drive from my house in Urbandale (Des Moines suburb) but it is a easy drive to Iowa Speedway on I-80 compared to Rockingham Speedway.

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    We're doing it wrong.

    One of us is supposed to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RHRfan#1 View Post
    Iowa Speedway seats about 30k and is also in the middle of no where and Indycar has raced there every year since 2007.
    Iowa is almost half empty for the Indycar races

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    Quote Originally Posted by RHRfan#1 View Post
    Iowa Speedway seats about 30k and is also in the middle of no where and Indycar has raced there every year since 2007.
    Rockingham is in the heart of NASCAR country and no one showed up for ARCA or Truck races after it reopened. Not the same dynamics as Iowa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveL View Post
    Rockingham is in the heart of NASCAR country and no one showed up for ARCA or Truck races after it reopened. Not the same dynamics as Iowa.
    As I already noted in post 787, I agree.

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    Rockingham is dead. But for the track being there, you would have never heard of the town, unless you were an 8th grader in NC and tasked with learning all 100 of the county seats (Richmond county, BTW). The idea that it has potential in Indy or NASCAR is just wrong.

    Bluntly, while live gate is in a slight decline (baseball sold "only" 69M tickets last year and the NFL is operating at "only" 87% of full capacity) in other sports is true, the difference between that and NASCAR is the difference between a cold and cancer.

    But, anyway, the fact is that the most money is in TV, and most TV viewers don't care where the event is. It is just another form of studio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamC View Post
    But, anyway, the fact is that the most money is in TV, and most TV viewers don't care where the event is. It is just another form of studio.

    Another prime example of why Motorsports is vastly different than stick & ball sports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoparsRule View Post
    Another prime example of why Motorsports is vastly different than stick & ball sports.
    ? The money in stick/ball sports is in television, just like motorsports. More and more the live attendance take is a secondary or even tertiary revenue stream.
    Though motorsports are different as the 'team' doesn't own the stadium.
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    What I meant is, most people turn on "the race" the same way they turn on "the game" or "the golf". The fact that the event is being conducted 50 miles away or 5000 is really of no consequence. Leaving out geographic based sports team fandom, no one really cares. If the Super Bowl or Final Four is held in Indianapolis or Tampa or Dallas, it makes no real difference to anybody not at the game. Likewise, if a NASCAR event is in Fort Worth or Fontana or Atlanta, no one really cares unless they are live gate. (Note, this is a different discussion than discussion of the types of tracks and lack of variety and all that. Just saying that no one decides to watch or not watch on TV a race because it is being held near to them or not.)

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    But the flipside of that is you don't have a geographic foundation to support the entrants and the series as a whole. I'm not into football. But I can't go very far in Wisconsin without hearing about the Packers.

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    The problem is that ISC and SMI own 31 out of the 36 race dates (33 out of 38 if you count the All Star race and the Bud Shootout).

    Neither are going to give up race dates as they would lose revenue and hurt their stock price.

    So unless if Pocono, Dover, or Indy go away, you won't get a shorter season and unless if ISC or SMI buys more tracks, there won't be any new tracks on the schedule.

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    Here's what NASCAR should do: Bring back a dirt track as a stunt.

    Revive the name Thursday Night Thunder. Practice, qualify during the day, run at night. Use the finishing positions as the qualifying spot the next Sunday. Where? I dunno, Knoxville followed by Chicago or Kansas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Flinn View Post
    The problem is that ISC and SMI own 31 out of the 36 race dates (33 out of 38 if you count the All Star race and the Bud Shootout).

    Neither are going to give up race dates as they would lose revenue and hurt their stock price.

    So unless if Pocono, Dover, or Indy go away, you won't get a shorter season and unless if ISC or SMI buys more tracks, there won't be any new tracks on the schedule.
    With the current TV contracts, each track gets 40-45% of the cut for their races. This means that most races are profitable before they've sold the first ticket. If/when the TV contract $$$ declines and these races are no longer profitable, things will change.

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    If/when the TV contract $$$ declines and these races are no longer profitable, things will change.
    When the TV contracts expire, I fully believe NASCAR, ISC, and SMI, will all be bankrupt. I cannot see any network bidding one-tenth what they are currently paying for this return. Understand that next year's rating will shed another 10 to 20 %, just like this year and last year and the year before. By that time, you are looking at ratings near absolute zero.

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    Bankrupt? No.

    Dramatically streamlined? Yes.

    I was leafing thru the program when we went to Darlington and a page near the front had all the upper management listed.

    It was astonishing how top heavy it looked to this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamC View Post
    When the TV contracts expire, I fully believe NASCAR, ISC, and SMI, will all be bankrupt. I cannot see any network bidding one-tenth what they are currently paying for this return. .......
    Can't argue with your logic.

    The only wild card that might change the trajectory is gambling. Supposedly, NASCAR and ISC are working on bringing gambling into the sport as soon as they can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamC View Post
    When the TV contracts expire, I fully believe NASCAR, ISC, and SMI, will all be bankrupt. I cannot see any network bidding one-tenth what they are currently paying for this return. Understand that next year's rating will shed another 10 to 20 %, just like this year and last year and the year before. By that time, you are looking at ratings near absolute zero.
    Where is your crystal ball that says that next year's rating will shed 10-20% off last years ratings?

    If NASCAR goes bankrupt then Indycar will already be long gone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Paff View Post
    Where is your crystal ball that says that next year's rating will shed 10-20% off last years ratings?

    If NASCAR goes bankrupt then Indycar will already be long gone
    I disagree. INDYCAR already went through all of this and "rightsized" it's operations. That's true from a sanctioning body to an entrant standpoint. Teams run on 1/3 - 1/2 of what they spent in the CART "heyday" and right now at least there is a decent mix of stable teams and it's possible (though not easy or even likely) to run toward the front with a modestly budgeted team.

    NASCAR in general doesn't WANT to go through this mess, but they will. And portions of it (the wealthy teams) are screaming bloody murder at every change that takes away their advantage, but they sport will survive.

    I do predict some troubles on the track side of things, I think they made a big mistake with too many 1.5 mile tracks that don't provide a different experience from event to event (as I've already argued previously).

    But, they'll survive, and NASCAR in 2025 will just be different than it was in 2005. I think the France family will still own things, and they'll still be rich, but driver's will have to settle for making $2million a year and not $8mil. Team budgets will drop back to $8-10mil for a good car. Will the racing improve - that is all "eye of the beholder" stuff that people will continue to argue.

    It's racing, it's always in a constant state of change and up/down hill climbs in popularity. It is what it is!
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    The only wild card that might change the trajectory is gambling. Supposedly, NASCAR and ISC are working on bringing gambling into the sport as soon as they can.
    You can bet on NASCAR in Nevada and in several other states that have legalized sports gambling. I think that includes actually betting while at Dover, which is a casino. Kansas is a casino as well.

    You can bet on every other sport as well. I really don't see what about NASCAR would make it more interesting to gamblers than another sport.




    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Paff View Post
    Where is your crystal ball that says that next year's rating will shed 10-20% off last years ratings?
    Well, no crystal ball is needed. The sport has been shedding 10 to 20% per year for many years. While people look for this supposed "bottom" or "right size" or whatever, there really is no evidence that such a thing exists.

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    [QUOTE=SamC;4457423]You can bet on every other sport as well. I really don't see what about NASCAR would make it more interesting to gamblers than another sport.

    I would think, looking at it with jaundiced eye, that NASCAR would not be a gamblers choice since it would be so easier for a driver to throw a race if the dollars were right, unlike a team sport where it's not so easy. I hate to think that way but I think we will have some big gambling scandal someday in the not so distant future

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamC View Post
    You can bet on NASCAR in Nevada and in several other states that have legalized sports gambling. I think that includes actually betting while at Dover, which is a casino. Kansas is a casino as well.

    You can bet on every other sport as well. I really don't see what about NASCAR would make it more interesting to gamblers than another sport.
    We bet on a race when we were out in Vegas. It wasn't all that exciting. All they had on the board was a list of drivers, and you could bet to win. There was a little difference in odds.

    They do have NASCAR in those single week fantasy leagues (Draft Kings and/or FanDuel, etc.)...it's OK. More of a crapshoot than it is in say, football.

    I don't really see racing taking off in the gambling world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctorindy View Post
    We bet on a race when we were out in Vegas. It wasn't all that exciting. All they had on the board was a list of drivers, and you could bet to win. There was a little difference in odds.
    That is the problem that both auto racing and some other sports, like golf, face. Most sports are set up for an A or B result. Either team A is going to win or team B. Either Team A is going to win by more than X points or team B is going to win or lose by less than X points. Either the points are going to be over the number, or not. So on. But field sports a bet on one is a bet against everybody else in the field, in NASCAR case, where on any given Sunday, 15 or so drivers have a legit shot, and 15 more have a puncher's chance.

    I have seen the match up type betting. They take 2 drivers of about equal skill and you bet on which one beats the other, no matter the finish (A could finish 39th and you win if B finishes 40th).


    I don't really see racing taking off in the gambling world.
    I agree. People bet on what they know, or think they know. There just are not that many people into NASCAR.

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