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    Discuss NBC Gold

    Obviously, what was free, will soon cost money.

    https://www.nbcsports.com/gold/indycar

    No mention of the first 2 levels of the Road To Indy.

    Miles said, "Broadcast times will be confirmed later, but eight races, including the Indianapolis 500, will air on NBC. Nine races will be on NBCSN, with all track activity and additional exclusive content available on NBC Sports Gold, the direct-to-consumer product that the series promises “will bring subscribers closer to IndyCar racing than ever before.”

    Apparently all practice to NBC Gold. Quaifying?

    Current NBC Gold packages running from $19.99 for Speed Skating to 69.99 for Rugby.

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    I am divided. I will miss the youtube stream where I could chat with people and miss it being free to view but I also want to (in at least a small way) show that Indycar is worth people's money. I am going to get the subscription.
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    Probably going to be at least $49.99. I think it's plain silly. They're averaging in the neighborhood of 30-35K on each stream, but that's really hits, so many are just people checking multiple times. How many people will actually order this? 5.000-10,000? The streams now are nice and all, but there's often technical glitches, the "radio crew" do not follow the action the way a TV crew has to, and I'm just not sure how often I'll use it. Will the Live race feeds be off NBC Sports App?
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    Aside from the 500, I don’t watch practice more than a couple times a year. But if it’s say $50 and Indy 500 qualifying isn’t on NBCSN, then yes I’m in. That one weekend means a lot so any other time I check in throughout the year will just be a plus.
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    What's interesting here is that the other sport packages are for what might be termed primary events, while this is more like a package for prelims leading up to the events while the events themselves are on network or "cable".

    Anybody know how the financials work here, is HulmanCo sharing any risk/reward?
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    I wonder what weight the marketing guys put per viewer via different methods of watching:
    -people watching on air (just paid for the tv)
    -watching on cable (paid a subscription a few channels, one of which airs the race)
    -NBC gold (paying specifically to watch Indycar)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Muffins View Post
    I will miss the youtube stream where I could chat with people
    they have disabled the YouTube chat as of late. probably because it always devolved into a huge IndyCar vs F1 debate, instead of discussion on the actual practice or qualifying session in progress. I won't miss it.

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    Practices are incredibly boring, and realistically worth $0.

    I'm already paying my cable company $120 per year for the privilege of watching NBCSN, so there's no way I'm paying even more for NBC Sports Gold.

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    I found myself watching a lot of IndyCar live YouTube content over the past two years (practice during the month of May for sure and other tracks as well). It has been great to get for free but completely understand the business model that monetizes this content. Any frustration on that point is standard for the Internet/Streaming model. To get any type of audience, the content has been given away for free for years. At some point, it has to be monetized.

    I'll gladly pay between $50 - 75 for the season if that includes studio produced content, the entire month of may action, and all practice/qualifying content. I just hope that NBC Gold will be an app on Android smart TV (Sony) so i don't have to also shell out for a FireTV stick, Roku or other streaming device.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyRob View Post
    I found myself watching a lot of IndyCar live YouTube content over the past two years (practice during the month of May for sure and other tracks as well). It has been great to get for free but completely understand the business model that monetizes this content. Any frustration on that point is standard for the Internet/Streaming model. To get any type of audience, the content has been given away for free for years. At some point, it has to be monetized.

    I'll gladly pay between $50 - 75 for the season if that includes studio produced content, the entire month of may action, and all practice/qualifying content. I just hope that NBC Gold will be an app on Android smart TV (Sony) so i don't have to also shell out for a FireTV stick, Roku or other streaming device.
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    If 'all track activity' means you can stream races and qualifying for the annual price, it's a bargain. I'll gladly pay it.

    I might be missing something but I don't know why everyone seems to be assuming the races won't be streamed.

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    If NBC Gold includes ALL track activity, including practices, qualifying and the races, then I am in! If it's $50, it is still cheaper than having to upgrade my Dish service to include NBC Sports, which is the only channel I would watch in the upgraded package, and that only when IndyCar is on. I could not care less about ESPN, NFL, MLB, NBA, MLS, NHL, Nascar, etc.
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    As long as it's available on one of my devices, I don't mind paying for it. Just don't make me buy more electronic crap - the house is already full.
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    Its worth it if they put effort into the presentation/commentary.

    If its just IMS radio or the PA system slapped over a video feed, that's unacceptable. That was something I could deal with when the content wasn't behind a paywall.

    You want me to pay for your content, make it worth my while and improve it.
    Just wait 'till next year!

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    If it's done right and works well, then I'm all for it.
    I think YouTube was a great platform for Indycar. The YouTube app is widely available on every platform (not bound to mobile only) and simply works. As a fan, I'll bite...but struggle to believe this service will attract new fans. I think back to how many new viewers took interest when Alonzo was simply practicing at IMS. Having this type of coverage in a "closed" environment will not help attract new fans to our sport.

    Just my two cents.

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    What's the chances us international people will still get practices streamed on Youtube? Always liked the ability to cast the 500 practice days to the TV and watch while I work from home.

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    What I really see Gold doing is replacing the Verizon app and monetizing the free Youtube streams. NBC offered the contract at what I can guess were not the best guaranteed money, but it puts money in Indycar's pocket for something they were doing for free. I can't see however that moving to a pay service will add any new fans, though it may grab some of those cord cutters that just want to pay for Indycar, but that math doesn't work for me. NBC/Comcast is trying to counter those people with a la carte services like this. Fine if it works for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    What's the chances us international people will still get practices streamed on Youtube? Always liked the ability to cast the 500 practice days to the TV and watch while I work from home.
    Doubtful but that's pure speculation on my part. See if you can sign up for any of the NBC gold now from the UK. My guess is that's your answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuatu View Post
    If it's done right and works well, then I'm all for it.
    I think YouTube was a great platform for Indycar. The YouTube app is widely available on every platform (not bound to mobile only) and simply works. As a fan, I'll bite...but struggle to believe this service will attract new fans. I think back to how many new viewers took interest when Alonzo was simply practicing at IMS. Having this type of coverage in a "closed" environment will not help attract new fans to our sport.

    Just my two cents.
    I completely agree. I think IndyCar really blew it in terms of the chance to grow its fan base with YouTube.
    There's a lot of cross-over between PC Computer Gamer/Hardware Enthusiast and the Automotive Enthusiast communities. Always seemed like a real missed opportunity there.

    I could give specific examples, but with portions of IndyCar and all of IndyLights going behind the NBCGold paywall, it's a real shame the YouTube streaming side wasn't exploited more.

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    As others have said, if it really does include all track activity, including races, I'm very ok with it. even at $100 it would still be a great deal.

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    I'll be paying for it more than likely.
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    I'd gladly pay $50 per season if I am getting Diffey, Bell, and Tracy plus pit reporters for practice and qualifying in a relaxed, but still high quality production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by petersmtrsprts View Post
    I'd gladly pay $50 per season if I am getting Diffey, Bell, and Tracy plus pit reporters for practice and qualifying in a relaxed, but still high quality production.
    If that's what it ends up being, then yea i'd happily pay that. I hope that is what they are thinking about doing.

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    My understanding is NBC Sports Gold will have all IndyCar sessions plus Lights not broadcast on TV. So you'll still need a cable subscription for races on NBCSN. Obviously some qualifying sessions may also be shown on TV, at least that was my impression when the broadcasting deal was announced.

    This Gold package feels a bit like a *********. I mean, the purpose of OTT services is usually to offer an alternative to cable subscription. Of course, NBC doesn't want to be killing cable so instead this package complements their TV coverage. But it's really only the hardcore fans that want to pay for this, and I doubt you're going to pay a lot if the cable subscription alone already feels too expensive.

    What I'm worried about is what happens to the YouTube race uploads. NBC Gold will have race replays so does that mean an end for the YouTube uploads? Also, this can make following the sport more difficult for the fans overseas. Can overseas fans watch the practice and qualifying sessions. What about race replays?
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    If that's what it ends up being, then yea i'd happily pay that. I hope that is what they are thinking about doing.
    It's a great dry run for your crew, equipment, and on-air talent. Plus, you instantly have produced content that you could move onto NBC/NBCSN to fill rain delays during INDYCAR and maybe even NASCAR races, or to fill other gaps in programming during the day/night.

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    I'm probably gonna pass on it simply because I don't have the time to dedicate to watch practice sessions or qualifying now. Heck I hardly ever see races live these days. With a package like that, It's only worth it if you actually spend the time to watch the sessions. I subscribe to the Gold package for Motocross and it's been awesome to be able to see the races in full whenever I want. But, if the Indycar package only has practice and quals not shown on TV (or at least not tape delayed), I'm not sure that's enough to justify spending those extra dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nigel Red5 View Post
    Doubtful but that's pure speculation on my part. See if you can sign up for any of the NBC gold now from the UK. My guess is that's your answer.
    I can buy passes to things like Motocross and Figure Skating so I suppose I might be able to for Indy. All depends how the international rights go, certainly at the moment BT Sport has a deal with ESPN International until 2021 for content and channel name which is how we are getting Indycar at the moment. If that deal continues then I imagine it'll stay on BT but equally could end up on another channel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by August View Post
    My understanding is NBC Sports Gold will have all IndyCar sessions plus Lights not broadcast on TV. So you'll still need a cable subscription for races on NBCSN. Obviously some qualifying sessions may also be shown on TV, at least that was my impression when the broadcasting deal was announced.

    This Gold package feels a bit like a *********. I mean, the purpose of OTT services is usually to offer an alternative to cable subscription. Of course, NBC doesn't want to be killing cable so instead this package complements their TV coverage. But it's really only the hardcore fans that want to pay for this, and I doubt you're going to pay a lot if the cable subscription alone already feels too expensive.

    What I'm worried about is what happens to the YouTube race uploads. NBC Gold will have race replays so does that mean an end for the YouTube uploads? Also, this can make following the sport more difficult for the fans overseas. Can overseas fans watch the practice and qualifying sessions. What about race replays?
    Succinctly, I see the streaming on YouTube model vs the NBCSports Gold model as two different 'products'.

    I view the YouTube streaming model as a way to grow the fan base by exposing IndyCar to new viewers.
    I see the NBCSports Gold model as a way to extract more money from existing IndyCar fans.
    Two different goals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    I can buy passes to things like Motocross and Figure Skating so I suppose I might be able to for Indy. All depends how the international rights go, certainly at the moment BT Sport has a deal with ESPN International until 2021 for content and channel name which is how we are getting Indycar at the moment. If that deal continues then I imagine it'll stay on BT but equally could end up on another channel.
    You can always use a VPN if you're blocked from subscribing to IndyCar on Gold. In fact, the free built-in VPN that comes with the Opera Web Browser may be sufficient to circumvent any location restrictions. Note that I provide this discussion for informational purposes only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nigel Red5 View Post
    What I really see Gold doing is replacing the Verizon app and monetizing the free Youtube streams. NBC offered the contract at what I can guess were not the best guaranteed money, but it puts money in Indycar's pocket for something they were doing for free. I can't see however that moving to a pay service will add any new fans, though it may grab some of those cord cutters that just want to pay for Indycar, but that math doesn't work for me. NBC/Comcast is trying to counter those people with a la carte services like this. Fine if it works for you.
    Great, i just bought the Verizon phone because of the Indycar connection. I agree how is money going to attract more fans. Other than Indy practice I can live without it. More money for something that was already expensive has me depressed. Next thing will be pay toilets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat00 View Post
    Practices are incredibly boring, and realistically worth $0.

    I'm already paying my cable company $120 per year for the privilege of watching NBCSN, so there's no way I'm paying even more for NBC Sports Gold.
    What usually happens is that only the diehards will end up watching. Everyone else will tune out or forget its happening and do something else with their time because you now put it behind a paywall. Seeing how awful the current TV numbers, they need a more casual audience to gain interest if they want to pump up interest.

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