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    Off season bits and pieces

    Bernie says Miami, London street race won't happen, throws shade on Vietnam
    https://autoweek.com/article/formula...e-miami-london

    Silverstone still does not have 2020+ deal yet
    https://autoweek.com/article/formula...ne-still-doubt
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    F1's award ceremony was tonight, biggest highlights according to twitter were Sebastien Vettel sporting a Nigel Mansell moustache and Kimi Raikkonen being incredibly drunk

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    McLaren just announce a joint venture with the Bahrain Merida cycling team. They have worked with Specialized on a few bike frames in the past, but this seems to be more of an involvement in the team itself. Seems like a weird exercise when their race team has been flailing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe in LA View Post
    McLaren just announce a joint venture with the Bahrain Merida cycling team. They have worked with Specialized on a few bike frames in the past, but this seems to be more of an involvement in the team itself. Seems like a weird exercise when their race team has been flailing.
    Not quite sure what McLaren is doing with this effort, unless it ties in with one of the shareholders from the Middle East. The boys at McLaren really should be focusing on race car quali and pace for 2019 or they very well could be just another backmarker next year...
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    Quote Originally Posted by senorsoupe View Post
    F1's award ceremony was tonight, biggest highlights according to twitter were Sebastien Vettel sporting a Nigel Mansell moustache and Kimi Raikkonen being incredibly drunk
    Kimi had a blast and the videos from the night prove it!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakester View Post
    Bernie says Miami, London street race won't happen, throws shade on Vietnam
    https://autoweek.com/article/formula...e-miami-london

    Silverstone still does not have 2020+ deal yet
    https://autoweek.com/article/formula...ne-still-doubt
    Liberty Media is starting to see that having some big Corporate structure doesn't mean anything in the world of F1...Truth be told Uncle Bernie was a pioneer and maybe his business model started to falter, but I still believe Liberty should have used his expertise more then it has...

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    Miami probably won't happen because of local politics.
    London definitely won't happen because this is the city that is well known for its car congestion pricing. F1 racing in the city won't be seen as being very "green". Don't forget London has been on a goal to reduce car usage so I don't see having a street race would help project that image. I think Silverstone in reality is the only circuit in the UK that can host F1 for now and in the future because they put so much money to modernize the facilities.
    As for Vietnam, I'm not sure how long that GP can go for....other than the wide streets, a lot of the area where the circuit is supposed to be built doesn't exactly fit into F1's image.

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    Add to Liberty's 'to do' list....Italian Grand Prix at Monza...

    Key to the project moving forward will be a renewal of the Italian GP contract for 2020 and beyond, which has not yet been done as Liberty and race promoters have yet to agree a price.
    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...-2022/4313019/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakester View Post
    Add to Liberty's 'to do' list....Italian Grand Prix at Monza...



    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...-2022/4313019/
    Well I read this as Monza saying we can get the money for the track rework, so Liberty must be thinking well then you can find the money for a new contract with us too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAindycarfan80 View Post
    Miami probably won't happen because of local politics.
    London definitely won't happen because this is the city that is well known for its car congestion pricing. F1 racing in the city won't be seen as being very "green". Don't forget London has been on a goal to reduce car usage so I don't see having a street race would help project that image. I think Silverstone in reality is the only circuit in the UK that can host F1 for now and in the future because they put so much money to modernize the facilities.
    As for Vietnam, I'm not sure how long that GP can go for....other than the wide streets, a lot of the area where the circuit is supposed to be built doesn't exactly fit into F1's image.
    Miami can happen is Liberty foots the bill, then the politics got by the wayside....The UK have enough issues right now then to be thinking about a street race in London or Silverstone. Silverstone placed themselves in this position by signing the contract with Uncle Bernie, so no-one to blame but themselves...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferris View Post
    Miami can happen is Liberty foots the bill, then the politics got by the wayside....The UK have enough issues right now then to be thinking about a street race in London or Silverstone. Silverstone placed themselves in this position by signing the contract with Uncle Bernie, so no-one to blame but themselves...
    And Silverstone has taken advantage of the break clause in Uncle Bernie's contract as well, so now it's both Silverstone and Liberty's position.

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    Jean-Pierre Van Rossem, Onyx Formula 1 team backer, dies

    Off season news. He was big into slot cars as well.

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    Denmark? Looks like Copenhagen is not longer a possibility...the potential promoter Foreningen til fremme af Formel 1 i København – The Society For The Promotion Of Formula 1 In Copenhagen was de-registered (shut down).

    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/d...ative/4315351/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakester View Post
    And Silverstone has taken advantage of the break clause in Uncle Bernie's contract as well, so now it's both Silverstone and Liberty's position.

    Agree, so now a game of who blinks or if it all ends in tears....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakester View Post
    Denmark? Looks like Copenhagen is not longer a possibility...the potential promoter Foreningen til fremme af Formel 1 i København – The Society For The Promotion Of Formula 1 In Copenhagen was de-registered (shut down).

    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/d...ative/4315351/
    Was a long shot at best, but would have been nice to realize...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferris View Post
    Agree, so now a game of who blinks or if it all ends in tears....
    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/u...ances/4315959/

    weekend attendance figure of 340,000, with its race day figure 140,500 also the highest of the season.
    340K and Silverstone can't make a profit??? And I'd think it's not due to poor management at the track.

    Gives one a clue as to how difficult F1 finances are for promoters....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakester View Post
    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/u...ances/4315959/



    340K and Silverstone can't make a profit??? And I'd think it's not due to poor management at the track.

    Gives one a clue as to how difficult F1 finances are for promoters....
    It is for sure difficult for a promoter to make it work without Government support in most cases....One has to always ask the question does Liberty and The Teams just charge to much for the show? Or should Liberty set up a revenue sharing scheme with the promoter's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakester View Post
    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/u...ances/4315959/



    340K and Silverstone can't make a profit??? And I'd think it's not due to poor management at the track.

    Gives one a clue as to how difficult F1 finances are for promoters....
    I do think that its hilarious that they were willing to do a revenue sharing agreement with a track with no history (Miami) but are willing to toss aside a venue like Silverstone just to show who is in charge....of course if they lose their UK audience they are in a world of hurt considering how much the UK motorsports industry puts into the sport of F1.

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    Ferrari changes top leadership.
    Arrivabene out, Binotto in.

    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...ation/4320478/

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    Ferrari falling back into the old routine...Fire someone in hopes that solves the problem...We'll see how Binotto fares at Team Principal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferris View Post
    Ferrari falling back into the old routine...Fire someone in hopes that solves the problem...We'll see how Binotto fares at Team Principal...
    They improved a lot with Arrivabene in charge, they blew a great chance at the title this year but can't see how this change so close to the start of the season helping at all.

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    Maybe Binotto makes the difference but this just seems like more post-Todt flailing. The more time goes by, the more correct Alonso looks to have been to leave Ferrari. He didn't want another dozen race wins, he wanted a third WDC and Ferrari remains incapable of getting over the top. I do think Alonso (or Ricciardo or Verstappen) would have kept it closer than Vettel has in 2017 and '18, but another pair of 2nd place points finishes would likely be more maddening in some ways than where he wound up and Mercedes has remained much better when its all said and done.

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    Valerie Bottas loses a long time personal sponsor.

    https://autoweek.com/article/formula...f1-performance


    Billionaire Antti Aarnio-Wihuri, boss of the Finnish conglomerate Wihuri, says F1 has become too expensive for his tastes...and OUCH...
    "Partly it was not his own fault, but I think he was quite weak at the end of the year," Aarnio-Wihuri said. "It's difficult to be Hamilton's teammate, but Valtteri was also left behind by many others. It was a pretty weak result."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferris View Post
    Ferrari falling back into the old routine...Fire someone in hopes that solves the problem...We'll see how Binotto fares at Team Principal...
    My concern there is how the technical department works with its chief taking on a new job. Hope he has a great #2 to run the technical side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakester View Post
    Valerie Bottas loses a long time personal sponsor.

    https://autoweek.com/article/formula...f1-performance


    Billionaire Antti Aarnio-Wihuri, boss of the Finnish conglomerate Wihuri, says F1 has become too expensive for his tastes...and OUCH...
    Don't know if you saw reports several weeks ago that Bottas cried "like a baby" after the loss in Baku, that could not have helped and probably not an image any sponsor wants
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    2019 F1 entry fees.
    https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...-cost/4324429/

    basic entry fee of $546,133, and then an extra amount depending on where they finished last year.
    At the top, Mercedes: $4,838,348

    At the bottom, Wiliams: $584,346

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    And the FIA laughing all the way to the bank!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferris View Post
    And the FIA laughing all the way to the bank!!!
    Total of $17,470,358
    A mere pittance in the context of F1

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