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    Brack/Ganassi

    Why did the partnership only last 1 season?
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    Brack had a pretty lackluster season in 2002 CART. Most fields only had about 18 cars, and Brack had such finishes of 18, 17, 15, 18, 18, 14, 18. Not much success. He did win one race, but after it was announced that he was leaving the team.

    Plus, Ganassi was running four cars in 2002....3 in CART and 1 in IRL. For 2003, they were switching full-time to IRL, and cutting back to two cars. Dixon who had just joined the team mid-season, was being groomed by Chip to be his new young talent. So both Brack and Ward were ushered out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Paff View Post
    Why did the partnership only last 1 season?
    Kenny Brack said he was unhappy with the quality of the cars he was provided by Ganassi, blaming many of his bad finishes on poor standards of preparation. Having been through that situation once before with Foyt, the coldly unemotional Brack reasoned it would be better to seek greener pastures rather than to wallow in growing disharmony. Brack was unconvinced that Ganassi would do as Foyt did when he surprised the driver by objectively investigating Brack's claims that the car Foyt gave him to race was incapable of winning. With their working methods being so divergent, Brack and Ganassi each lost confidence in one another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by editor View Post
    Kenny Brack said he was unhappy with the quality of the cars he was provided by Ganassi, blaming many of his bad finishes on poor standards of preparation. Having been through that situation once before with Foyt, the coldly unemotional Brack reasoned it would be better to seek greener pastures rather than to wallow in growing disharmony. Brack was unconvinced that Ganassi would do as Foyt did when he surprised the driver by objectively investigating Brack's claims that the car Foyt gave him to race was incapable of winning. With their working methods being so divergent, Brack and Ganassi each lost confidence in one another.
    It's a true testament to the talents of of drivers like Zanardi, Vasser, Montoya, Dixon, and Wheldon that they were able to secure success driving cars that were so shoddily prepared by Gannasi.

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    Junqueira had an okay season for CGR in 2002 as teammate to Brack. Finished 2nd in the points with 2 wins and 10 top-5 finishes. Brack always came across as a driver who was better on ovals than he was on street/road circuits. Could the shifting CART schedule have played against him in 2002? CART went from 9 ovals in 2001 (when he finished 2nd in the point) to 5 in 2002. They'd drop down to 3 in 2003.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlander View Post
    It's a true testament to the talents of of drivers like Zanardi, Vasser, Montoya, Dixon, and Wheldon that they were able to secure success driving cars that were so shoddily prepared by Gannasi.
    Not sure if this comment is made in jest - but seems like a stretch to call CGR a shoddily prepared team. 12 championships and 4 Indy 500 victories are a pretty solid resume and yes - while they have employed some great drivers - it can't all come down to the men behind the wheel.

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    Didn't help from a stastical analysis standpoint that Vasser and Kenny crashed on lap one several times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelican Joe View Post
    Not sure if this comment is made in jest - but seems like a stretch to call CGR a shoddily prepared team. 12 championships and 4 Indy 500 victories are a pretty solid resume and yes - while they have employed some great drivers - it can't all come down to the men behind the wheel.
    I think it was more of a shot at Brack and his opinion of the team and preparations and made in jest.
    Keep in mind, I could be wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattf765 View Post
    I think it was more of a shot at Brack and his opinion of the team and preparations and made in jest.
    This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlander View Post
    It's a true testament to the talents of of drivers like Zanardi, Vasser, Montoya, Dixon, and Wheldon that they were able to secure success driving cars that were so shoddily prepared by Gannasi. (sic)
    The comparison is invalid, especially when considering drivers who filled seats in different brands of cars or cars built to differing formulae. Preparation is not an absolute science and no two drivers like their cars prepared in exactly the same manner. Evidence, such as wheels falling off of the car, indicated Kenny Brack had a case. That Ganassi's team would eventually undergo changes confirmed it.

    Race teams tend to make the same mistakes over and over. A common one involves drivers. When a team feels young, it wants to fall in love with a driver. Ganassi's team fell in love with a number of the drivers you cited, hence its eagerness to please no matter how the driver behaved. When a team thinks it has grown up, it wants a driver to fall in line with team diktats. A driver who rigidly does that eventually gets purged. One of the drivers you cited was purged by Ganassi. A driver who doesn't can expect to get fired. Ganassi fired another one of the drivers you cited. A team that thinks it has grown up eventually must undergo internal restructuring to stop the rot, leading to feelings of being young again.

    Members of Ganassi's team and Brack essentially told the same story about their relationship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelican Joe View Post
    Junqueira had an okay season for CGR in 2002 as teammate to Brack. Finished 2nd in the points with 2 wins and 10 top-5 finishes. Brack always came across as a driver who was better on ovals than he was on street/road circuits. Could the shifting CART schedule have played against him in 2002? CART went from 9 ovals in 2001 (when he finished 2nd in the point) to 5 in 2002. They'd drop down to 3 in 2003. (sic)
    No, not according to Kenny Brack and the teams he drove for during that period. Though quick on ovals, Brack thought they were his weakness. He would use the term blind leading the blind to describe his oval track efforts. Many of Brack's non-oval performances were hampered by driving cars that were not as inherently good as some of those fielded by other teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by editor View Post
    The comparison is invalid, especially when considering drivers who filled seats in different brands of cars or cars built to differing formulae. Preparation is not an absolute science and no two drivers like their cars prepared in exactly the same manner. Evidence, such as wheels falling off of the car, indicated Kenny Brack had a case. That Ganassi's team would eventually undergo changes confirmed it.

    Race teams tend to make the same mistakes over and over. A common one involves drivers. When a team feels young, it wants to fall in love with a driver. Ganassi's team fell in love with a number of the drivers you cited, hence its eagerness to please no matter how the driver behaved. When a team thinks it has grown up, it wants a driver to fall in line with team diktats. A driver who rigidly does that eventually gets purged. One of the drivers you cited was purged by Ganassi. A driver who doesn't can expect to get fired. Ganassi fired another one of the drivers you cited. A team that thinks it has grown up eventually must undergo internal restructuring to stop the rot, leading to feelings of being young again.

    Members of Ganassi's team and Brack essentially told the same story about their relationship.
    Chip's freed up the futures of a number of drivers over the years...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelican Joe View Post
    Not sure if this comment is made in jest - but seems like a stretch to call CGR a shoddily prepared team. 12 championships and 4 Indy 500 victories are a pretty solid resume and yes - while they have employed some great drivers - it can't all come down to the men behind the wheel.
    Interpretation of Qlanders comment for you: Pure rubbish to think Ganassi car prep was anything short of the gold standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlander View Post
    This.
    I thought so. Thanks for clarifying!!

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    I think Kenny was selling himself short as an oval driver.
    In his two years with AJ, he had 4 wins (including the 500, without the "computer malfunction" possibly 2), a 2nd, 3 3rds, and a 5th, as well as 4 6-10th finishes out of 21 races total.
    He won a season Championship and finished 2nd in the other.
    Not too shabby.
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