Last edited by MoparsRule; 12-13-2007 at 02:45 PM.
I read @ another blog this list is not reflective of the Mitchell report. MLB sees lots of errors...
http://www.wnbc.com/sports/14845845/detail.html
Still looking for Carmen San Diego....
No real surprises. Pujols was a nothing in the minors, that all-of-a-sudden, became a major home run hitter in the majors.
Many of these guys have broken down badly lately, physically. That's the risk you run, when you do this stuff.
And, Darryl Kile is on the list. Hmm.....
IRL 2009: "Cars you can't see, driven by drivers you have never heard of, on a network you don't get"
"I'd hire your grandmother, if she brought a budget"- Bankrupt Indy Car team owner Tyler Tadevic, to Curt Cavin in December, on the tough standards he looks for when "hiring" driver talent.
I'd wait for the real one.
"The number of threads by one poster in the OT is getting a little out of hand, IMHO. "
"In the land of freedom we are held hostage by the tyranny of political correctness...If we speak..we say it the wrong way; if we do not speak we are cowards…."
Lots and lots of former and current Yankees are going to be on the list.
Rich Garces??? Say it ain't El Gaupo!!!
"You see Bob, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care."
So is Ken Caminiti ...Originally Posted by Jimmy Hendricks
Are there any other deceased on the list ? If not, pretty coincidental that they were (Astros) teammates.
"There are 24 hours in a day, and 24 beers in a case. Coincidence?... I think not." - A wise fisherman
Here is the actual 409 page report. The list distributed earlier is pretty far off.
http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pdf/...ell_report.pdf
Considering Mitchells' relationship with the Red Sox, that's not much of a surprise.
Since the original list is so far off, I suggest it should be removed!
They say the blood is on my hands
‘Cause I put down the money and I made up the plan
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Names actually appearing in report...
A somewhat complete list...
HGH- Rick Ankiel, Paul Byrd, Jay Gibbons, Troy Glaus, Jose Guillen,
Jerry Hairston, Jr., Gary Matthews, Jr., and Scott Schoeneweis, and former players David Bell,
Jose Canseco, Jason Grimsley, Darren Holmes, John Rocker, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams, and
Steve Woodard.
Players’ Links to Performance Enhancing Substances
Marvin Benard
Barry Bonds
Bobby Estalella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde
Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Gregg Zaun
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christiansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagné
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Xavier “Nook” Logan
Daniel Naulty
I have played baseball against and with Matt Herges since we were both 10yrs old.
So Nomar's not on it - sigh of relief!
Is this really an important issue...seriously...
No, and judging by attendance at baseball stadiums throughout the country the past few seasons, even baseball fans couldn't care less.
Concede that a great deal of players and teams were helped by artificial means in the era, keep the testing system going, and play ball.
Congress seems to think so...
And Congress' ratings are how high...this is a non-issue...if adults want to use something that will bulk them, why should we care...most professional athletes are in a different reality than the rest of us...it has been my experience that fans only care about results...unless, of course, it's the other guys...then breast beating sanctimonious attitudes become the norm...for example New England...People cheer known felons in professional sports...whats a few drugs...
Exactly... which was sort of my point.
Good point then...Exactly... which was sort of my point.
John Rocker! On the list?
I never thought he would be in any kind of hot water.
I read 37 pages, only to find that I had yet to reach page 1.
"The face of a child can say it all. Especially the mouth part of the face" - Jack Handey
Truthfully, since HGH wasn't even a banned substance in MLB until 2005, I don't see that its that big a deal, with that particular thing.
MLB is as much to blame for this is as the players are.
This is a disgrace for MLB.
It's just not a surprise.
Center Grove Trojans
2008 5A Football State Champs
2011 Track State Champs
How did Sammy Sosa not make the list?
I'm no Jose Canseco fan but when it is all said and done he will have exposed many who condemned his coming out about steroids as being liars.
Bunch of losers in my opinion. They have sent the wrong message to kids....not just in the fact that drugs were involved. How can we expect them while growing up not to question and doubt those who accomplish anything?
I guess the days of real men playing the game is over. I say to players if you aren't man enough and can't cut it with the talent you have leave the game so at least you'll have your health and dignity.
"There is no God who condones taking the life of an innocent human being. This much we know."
Barack Obama 2/5/09
"But once life has begun no matter what stage of growth it is my belief that termination should not be decided merely by desire."
Ted Kennedy 8/3/71
No power to subpoena players. No requisite by MLB forcing players to cooperate.
For every player named, figure another dozen unnamed.
I wish I knew - Dennis "Cutty" Wise
When its game time, it's pain time! - Terrible Terry Tate
Many of these players will pay the ultimate price.....
...having their baseball cards taken from protective plastic and ending up in the spokes of bicycles.
I would expect there will be no penalty or negative outcome for any player on the list. Baseball was dragged kicking and screaming to this point. They don't care.
All rides are bought. But occasionally the currency is talent.
It's rather ironic that you make that statement on this forum, considering the beating some of us Hoosiers have given the Pacers for their "problems" and the head coach at Indiana University for his.
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