AGR looking for government $$$ to make Toronto race happen?

[SportscarBruce]

Agreed.

Somewhat related... ALMS uses "Grand Prix" for their race at Mosport (near Toronto):

http://www.mosport.com/alms07.htm

IMO, a "Grand Prix" is an F1 race. Anything else is polluting the name. And anything the IRL runs should have the name "Indy" associated with it.

jono

Strictly speaking a Grand Prix is a horse race and everything else is borrowing it.

[Jakester]

Strictly speaking a Grand Prix is a horse race and everything else is borrowing it.

I believe the original term for auto competition may have been the French term... "grand epreuve", or 'grand trial'.

The first known auto event to use the term Grand Prix was 1901 Grand Prix de Pau.

Grand Prix as related to equine sports may not be an actual race, but the top level of dressage competition, more of a 'horse ballet' or show jumping. Dressage events do predate auto competitions, and at least one etymology does attribute the term to beginning with an 1863 Grand Prix de Paris horse race for three year olds.

However, the term "Grand Prix" has come to be a generic 'Grand Prize" used with a large number of non auto related competitions, including tennis, snooker, darts, film festivals, volleyball, chess...

[jonovision_man]

Just to do it. Of those ovals that fell from the ICS schedule, 9 appear to still be operational, several also hosted post split CART or CCWS races. While the OW series in a real down period didn't draw or succeed enough to suit the track owners they stayed in business.

Can you from the list in the TWK post name any venue that after ending their CART/CCWS or any series races stayed active with any other series? How many of those venues downsized or upsized for that matter their business model to continue the benefits to those cities thought to be had and found a way to utilize that venue with some other racing series? If the street event was such a great idea how many of them continued with a lesser caliber or less expensive series after F-1, CART, CCWS ALMS, etc left? Not a clinical study but LBGP, St.Pete and Detroit seem to be the only three still active.

A street circuit exists only for the event, if the event isn't there then the street circuit isn't either. Not really apples to apples.

The bottom line is that events of all kinds come and go, for various reasons. Listing a bunch that were dropped and claiming that one type of circuit is doomed doesn't really tell the story.

1994 CART schedule:

* Australia - street - alive + never gone
* Phoenix - oval - gone
* Long Beach - street - alive + never gone
* Indy - oval - alive + never gone
* Milwaukee - oval - alive + never gone
* Detroit - street - gone and back
* Portland - road - gone
* Cleveland - street - gone
* Toronto - street - gone
* Michigan - oval - gone
* Ohio - road - gone and back
* New Hampshire - oval - gone
* Vancouver - street - gone
* Elkhart - road - gone
* Nazareth - oval - gone
* Laguna - road - gone

So only 4 lasted through thick and thin: 2 ovals, 2 street circuits.

jono

[jonovision_man]

These are the facts:

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3. AGP won't buy the race because it loses money.

Whoops!

http://wheels.ca/reviews/article/244711

I'm beginning to see a trend.

I'm seeing a trend to: more street circuits. And you guys still not getting it.

jono

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