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    Should the 500 be moved?

    Historically May is the rainiest month of the year.


    Other than tradition why is the 500 still run in May. Why not run the race on Labor Day weekend rather than Memorial day weekend? Doesn't history teach us anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw
    Historically May is the rainiest month of the year.


    Other than tradition why is the 500 still run in May. Why not run the race on Labor Day weekend rather than Memorial day weekend? Doesn't history teach us anything?
    Without making this personal, ARE YOU NUTS!

    Without the tradition, there is no history
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    The only move I would be in favor of would be to move it back to 11 am or move it to Saturday night
    "I think of Indianapolis every day of the year, every hour of the day, and when I sleep, too. Everything I ever wanted in my life, I found inside the walls of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. I love it all, from the first to the last day in May. The moment that race starts is always the greatest moment of my life, and the day I win that race, it will be as if my life has ended. There is nothing more I could want out of life."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw
    Historically May is the rainiest month of the year.


    Other than tradition why is the 500 still run in May. Why not run the race on Labor Day weekend rather than Memorial day weekend? Doesn't history teach us anything?

    Exsqueeze me, Baking powder?

    LOL Lets also move the world series to right before spring training.
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    Logic is everything and I am still waiting for a logical response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw
    Logic is everything and I am still waiting for a logical response.
    Okay, NHRA already has the town on Labor Day weekend.

    There's no guarantee of great weather in September. Somewhat drier, yes. If anything, you're going to see a lot more races in 90-degree heat.

    The Armed Forces have alway been an important part of the festivities.

    Too close to the 400.

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    No one wants to go back to the Thirty Days anymore, but at least there was more wiggle room for inclement weather. You could almost make a case for climate changes; it sure seems like the month of May has become much more rainy in the last 15 years or so.

    I only wish the Speedway could build a little more flexibility into the practice schedule - it seems such a shame to waste this coming Monday and Tuesday, which are supposed to be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liz
    No one wants to go back to the Thirty Days anymore, but at least there was more wiggle room for inclement weather. You could almost make a case for climate changes; it sure seems like the month of May has become much more rainy in the last 15 years or so.

    I only wish the Speedway could build a little more flexibility into the practice schedule - it seems such a shame to waste this coming Monday and Tuesday, which are supposed to be nice.
    Heresy Liz. Heresy!

    I suggested they let 22 qualify on Saturday and one person actually used "credibility" as the reason why not.

    Like the Speedway could lose credibility if their artificially created bumping didn't happen...

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    Way to take it off-topic, crispy.

    They would have looked pretty stupid if the rain had held off today, now wouldn't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ren Butler
    Way to take it off-topic, crispy.

    They would have looked pretty stupid if the rain had held off today, now wouldn't they?
    Did it?

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    Move it? Sure. I'm okay with that. I'm done with the rain and the 60 degree days. We can still play taps in September...

    Flexibility? I think I've answered that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crispy
    Heresy Liz. Heresy!

    I suggested they let 22 qualify on Saturday and one person actually used "credibility" as the reason why not.

    Like the Speedway could lose credibility if their artificially created bumping didn't happen...
    You might want to blame Joe Cloutier and the IMS leadership in the 80's, because they're the ones who came up with the idea for that 11/11/11 system...way, way back. It was going to be implemented around 1990-91 because it was the feeling at the time that time trials day 2 and 3 were a bit 'uneventful.'

    ...just so all know...it wasn't an "IRL thing"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by crispy
    Did it?
    Of course not, but that's a completely irrelevant question. Surely you understand that, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crispy
    Move it? Sure. I'm okay with that. I'm done with the rain and the 60 degree days. We can still play taps in September...

    Flexibility? I think I've answered that.
    You must be kidding.....didn't go to the 2003 USGP (in September) did you.....cold, rainy...the only thing that was sort of ok was that F1 cars ran in the rain...

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    Absolutely YES, it should be moved to 1963.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw
    Historically May is the rainiest month of the year.


    Other than tradition why is the 500 still run in May. Why not run the race on Labor Day weekend rather than Memorial day weekend? Doesn't history teach us anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw
    Logic is everything and I am still waiting for a logical response.
    Because it is run on the Memorial Day weekend. Starting in 1911, the Indianapolis 500 was run on the "traditional" Memorial Day until it became a three-day-weekend. Pretty logical answer. By the way, why blow out the August races because you would like to see Indy run on Labor Day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw
    Logic is everything and I am still waiting for a logical response.

    I think we are waiting on a logical question... this is absurd!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ren Butler
    Of course not, but that's a completely irrelevant question. Surely you understand that, no?
    You're asking me to accept that your completely arbitrary and contrived qualification procedure trumps the needs of the fans in spite of the best meteorological information available to them?

    Weren't you arguing that the fan was the most important thing in another thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnMc
    Because it is run on the Memorial Day weekend. Starting in 1911, the Indianapolis 500 was run on the "traditional" Memorial Day until it became a three-day-weekend. Pretty logical answer. By the way, why blow out the August races because you would like to see Indy run on Labor Day?
    So Tradition vs. year after year of crappy weather and rainouts and rain delays and rain shortened races....

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    I guess bringing up a relevant topic was heresy to some...

    Sad that an on-topic post was banished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crispy
    So Tradition vs. year after year of crappy weather and rainouts and rain delays and rain shortened races....
    Anecdotal evidence really.

    The history of rain is extensive, but not as catostrophic as you suggest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crispy
    You're asking me to accept that your completely arbitrary and contrived qualification procedure trumps the needs of the fans in spite of the best meteorological information available to them?

    Weren't you arguing that the fan was the most important thing in another thread?
    The fans got exactly what they were promised yesterday.

    Fans wanting to see 12-22 would have been robbed today if they fiddled with yesterday and it didn't rain today.

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    Why was this moved?

    Rain has been a factor at Indy for ever. We are now in a new century. Just because your memories are of May doesn't mean new memories can be built in August and September.

    The end of the summer also makes more sense as far as the Indycar series goes. It will be closer to the end of the year. If you made Indy a double points race it would mean even more.

    The only logical response that I heard was from Ren Butler. But Indy is bigger than NHRA. Let them move their race or make labor day weekend the ultimate racing weekend. As far as the BY 400 goes they can move that race also. The 500 needs to come first and everything else is second.

    All I am saying is don't let your sentimental emotions get in the way of doing what is best for the 500.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crispy
    So Tradition vs. year after year of crappy weather and rainouts and rain delays and rain shortened races....
    Year after year?

    Things were great most of 1987-1994, IIRC. Then (off the top of my head, so bear with me):

    1995--slight delay, full race
    1996--slight delay, full race
    1997--two-day delay, full race
    1998--delay, full race
    1999--full race
    2000--full race
    2001--full race
    2002--delays, full race
    2003--full race (side note: record rainfall Labor Day weekend)
    2004--delays, 180 laps
    2005--full race
    2006--full race
    2007--delays, ~170 laps

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    INDY is the month of May. And without rain it wouldn't be the same.

    ill stick with my tradition thank you very much.

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    Ya know what? I'm sick of getting so cold on the way home from church on Christmas Eve. I suggest we move Christmas to mid-July when we're guaranteed not to have cold weather.

    I mean, other than the fact that it is always in December, is there any LOGICAL reason not to move it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CARTer
    Ya know what? I'm sick of getting so cold on the way home from church on Christmas Eve. I suggest we move Christmas to mid-July when we're guaranteed not to have cold weather.

    I mean, other than the fact that it is always in December, is there any LOGICAL reason not to move it?
    "The Church" is not a for profit business. Christmas is a world wide event it is summer for half of the world. Logical enough for you?

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    PLEASE! Not this analogy. You'll only attract Howard Dolan to take the whole of western civilization apart.

    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw
    "The Church" is not a for profit business. Christmas is a world wide event it is summer for half of the world. Logical enough for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw
    "The Church" is not a for profit business. Christmas is a world wide event it is summer for half of the world. Logical enough for you?
    Maybe they could do a daylight savings thing to Christmas and move it to June 25th just for the Northern Hemisphere!

    That opens up Dec 25th so lets move the 4th of July to the day formally known as Christmas it will get dark earlier and the fireworks will look really cool glistening off the new fallen snow!
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