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    "It's Boring" says Montoya (Times Online)

    From The TimesJune 23, 2008

    Juan Pablo Montoya: Nascar is better than F1
    (Rusty Jarrett)
    Juan Pablo Montoya

    Patrick Foster
    As Kimi Raikkonen failed to defend his French Grand Prix crown, 4,000 miles away another former McLaren driver was battling to record back-to-back circuit victories. Juan Pablo Montoya notched up seven wins in Formula One before quitting two years ago to drive supercharged stock cars in the American Nascar series.

    Last night the Colombian hoped to repeat his only victory in the sport, in the Toyota/Save Mart 350, at the Infineon Raceway, in Sonoma, California, and he does not regret making the move. “Formula One drivers are convinced that they’re so much better than anyone else,” Montoya, who races alongside Dario Franchitti, the Scottish driver, for the Chip Ganassi team, said. “When I was in F1, every week I was on the podium. It was cool, but is it satisfying? It wasn’t, because it was the most boring races. The guy who started in front of you would drive away from you and the guy who was behind you would drop away from you, unless you f***ed up in qualifying and then you need to have a different pitstop strategy to beat them.”

    The National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing, to give it its proper title, is barely known outside the United States, but within the country, its popularity dwarfs that of Formula One. Seventeen of the nation’s top 20 best-attended sporting events are Nascar races, and it is the second most-watched sport on television.

    Montoya’s exit from McLaren resulted in Lewis Hamilton taking his seat in the car. He is a fan of the British driver, whom he refers to as a “good kid” and a “nice guy”, but he is blunt in his assessment of the 23-year-old’s popularity in America. “Go ask anybody here who is Lewis Hamilton,” he said. “Lewis who?”

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    Whereas Formula One revels in the romantic notion of presenting the zenith of style and grace, Nascar delights in being bold, brash and loud. The supercharged road cars steam around predominantly oval tracks, with hundreds of overtaking manoeuvres per race. Fans park their motorhomes on the track infield, barbecuing and drinking as the drivers race around them. At the end, the race winner does not spray Moët et Chandon, but Budweiser.

    Although Nascar is very much an American sport, there are attempts to raise its appeal outside the United States, to tap into the disaffection many feel with Formula One, whether through the Max Mosley saga or the the lack of competitive racing.

    “It’s boring,” Montoya said. “It’s a shame because the technology these cars have and the amount of companies that are involved is unreal. I don’t know how big companies do it for such a long time without results.”

    In Nascar, there are more than 40 cars racing wheel to wheel for up to three hours. “It’s harder here,” Montoya said. “When you run fifteenth, sometimes you think it sucks. But look at the big picture: fifteenth here is like sixth or seventh in F1, because there are twice as many cars. The incredible thing is here I run fifteenth or twentieth on average and there are four or five weeks in the year where I have a chance of winning. In F1 if you run sixth or seventh, you run sixth or seventh the whole year.

    “It doesn’t matter if you’re running for the lead, or for 30th, you’re always racing somebody. That’s much better.”

    Franchitti, a former winner of the Indianapolis 500, and one of Britain’s most successful racing drivers, joined Nascar this year, barely getting the chance to race before an 180mph collision left him with a broken ankle.

    “It’s been a tough baptism,” the Scot said. “I thought it would be difficult, but I didn’t realise how difficult. The good thing is that I feel I know a lot more now about what to do.”

    Franchitti will visit these shores in late July to promote the sport in the United Kingdom, where Sky Sports is covering races. “For anybody that loves cars, it’s entertainment that’s second to none,” he said. “If you want exciting racing, to watch people driving cars that are very difficult to drive, this is the answer.”

    Sky Sports has exclusive coverage of each Nascar race for the next two years
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    Might want to modify the title. He's saying F1 is boring, not NASCAR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by athletics68
    Might want to modify the title. He's saying F1 is boring, not NASCAR.


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    I totally agree with him about F1. It seems that the more technology they put into the cars, the less racing was done on the track. And, I still find it funny that it takes 15 or 17 pit crew members to service the car on pit road.

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    I didnt realise that NASCAR had "supercharged stock car"

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoviVespa
    I totally agree with him about F1. It seems that the more technology they put into the cars, the less racing was done on the track. And, I still find it funny that it takes 15 or 17 pit crew members to service the car on pit road.

    it doesn't take that many, that's just how many they use. it's like ron white's bit about getting thrown out of a bar. " i didn't know how many bouncers it would take, but i knew how many they were going to use."

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    “When I was in F1, every week I was on the podium." - JPM

    Here are his F1 stats:

    2006 results: 10 races - 2 podiums
    2005 results: 17 races - 5 podiums
    2004 results: 18 races - 3 podiums
    2003 results: 16 races - 9 podiums
    2002 results: 17 races - 7 podiums
    2001 results: 17 races - 4 podiums


    JPM was on the podium in 31.5% of the races he ran. 2002 and 2003 were his best years where he was on the podium 48.4% of the time. His last 3 seasons dropped to 22% of the time.

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    Well, everyone's entitled to their own opinions and they do change throughout life, and then often change again. It's the way God planned it

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    Quote Originally Posted by carl s
    Well, everyone's entitled to their own opinions and they do change throughout life, and then often change again. It's the way God planned it
    No opinions posted. Just some stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montoya
    The guy who started in front of you would drive away from you and the guy who was behind you would drop away from you, unless you f***ed up in qualifying and then you need to have a different pitstop strategy to beat them.
    The scenario he describes would happen in just about any form of racing that doesn't have many FCYs. I don't have the stats in front of me, but I'd bet probably 75% of the races he ran in F1 didn't have a FCY the entire race. FCYS bunch the field back together taking away any sort of lead a driver has over the driver behind them.

    Has there ever been a NASCAR race without a FCY and if so, how much of a lead did the winner have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackinbox
    Has there ever been a NASCAR race without a FCY and if so, how much of a lead did the winner have?
    I know that Dale Jarrett won a caution free race at MIS a few years ago. I believe there were only 4 or 5 cars on the lead lap. Not sure if there have been any others.

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    Wait Montoya was up there with.

    Races 94
    Wins 7
    Podium finishes 30

    He was up there with the big dogs in F-1 an awful a lot. I think he means it happened alot more in F-1 and he's talking good about Nascar here not the opposite. He finished in the top 8 every year he was in f-1 which is 5 1/2 years.
    6th in points(2001)
    3 (2002)
    3 (2oo3)
    5 (04)
    4 (05)
    8 (06) <--- Only competed half the year.
    Go Dario, Dixon and Vitor!!! .42 JPM.

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    Damn 2003 was a good year
    Quote Originally Posted by JSR
    “When I was in F1, every week I was on the podium." - JPM

    Here are his F1 stats:

    2006 results: 10 races - 2 podiums
    2005 results: 17 races - 5 podiums
    2004 results: 18 races - 3 podiums
    2003 results: 16 races - 9 podiums
    2002 results: 17 races - 7 podiums
    2001 results: 17 races - 4 podiums


    JPM was on the podium in 31.5% of the races he ran. 2002 and 2003 were his best years where he was on the podium 48.4% of the time. His last 3 seasons dropped to 22% of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSR
    I know that Dale Jarrett won a caution free race at MIS a few years ago. I believe there were only 4 or 5 cars on the lead lap. Not sure if there have been any others.
    Thanks for the info....you're right.

    Here's what was said about the caution-free 1999 K-Mart 400 race:

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    Unfortunately, after the first round of green-flag pit stops the field was spread out enough that the rest of the day was spent just watching Dale Jarrett drive in circles. The CBS on-air personalities tried in vain to find something to talk about, but there was no mistaking the fact that DJ was stinking up the show.
    This is exactly what I'm talking about. These big leads that get built up, are a largely a result of no FCYs. If you want to do away with local yellows in F-1, it will be much closer racing...but it would lose a lot of integrity among the fans.

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    Even a small lead is enough in F1, so long as you don't spin out, have pit trouble, or have a more famous teammate running in 2nd.

    Seventeen of the nation’s top 20 best-attended sporting events are Nascar races, and it is the second most-watched sport on television.
    What are the other 3? The Indy 500 is one of them I'm sure, but what are the others? I would expect they'd be college football games but they are not played at the same stadium every year, so it'd have to be a game where both schools have a whole, whole lot of seats. Michigan-Ohio State? Tennessee vs somebody?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StatMan
    What are the other 3?
    probably the 3 day total from those former CC races.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by StatMan
    What are the other 3? The Indy 500 is one of them I'm sure, but what are the others? I would expect they'd be college football games but they are not played at the same stadium every year, so it'd have to be a game where both schools have a whole, whole lot of seats. Michigan-Ohio State? Tennessee vs somebody?
    Hmmm. Good question.

    From what I've been able to find, here are some possibilities:

    NYC Marathon 2,000,000
    Boston Marathon 500,000
    Indy 500 300,000 (?)
    Kentucky Derby 150,000
    Preakness Stakes 121,263
    Belmont Stakes 120,139

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    Quote Originally Posted by carl s
    Well, everyone's entitled to their own opinions and they do change throughout life, and then often change again. It's the way God planned it
    I didn't realize God signs JPM's paychecks.

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