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Was the NFL draft the same weekend as last year?
The race was also the biggest news item of the weekend as every outlet has been talking about the end of the race. I'm sure NASCAR is happy with all the free PR.
I doubt the Sunday draft pulls anywhere near what Saturday does.Originally Posted by 430
It does not speak well to their fan base if they really are happy for the PR-that was very scary. On second thought maybe it did hit their base as you could see people cheering in the stands while watching that accident.
"I doubt NASCAR really cares one way or the other what Richard Petty does at this point in his life..." -hdolan. Very sad but very true.
Or maybe the were cheering because it was the last lap, and a first time winner was crossing the finish line?
I watched it. Observations...
The pre-races are too long. A lot of blabbering about drivers and issues no one cares about beyond their core, core fans. I knew what they were talking about, but the folks at the family party I was attending turned the channel saying the racing wasn't worth the boring wait...and this is Talledega!
When I wrestled the remote back, the guy and I who were watching were trying to get into it, but the racing was flat. He left then I decided to turn it. NASCAR is just getting boring and the pre-race just proved it by trying to force personalities/drivers on us who were bland/uninteresting. Things have changed big in the last 5 years or so.
Beyond that, i didn't see the Edwards wreck until this morning. Edwards would be one of the boring personalities/drivers the other guy I was watching the race with pointed out who was making the sport boring.
It is getting tough to watch..and I am an OK/decent fan!
Edwards isn't boring.Originally Posted by SEVista
In fact, if he was in open-wheel, he'd be one of the "personalities" people would be crowing about.
Plus, he's a damn good race driver, who could win in any type of race car, in any series.
Hopefully, he learned his lesson about weaving/blocking.
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What is his background in rear-engine formula racing?
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He's really good and he has won at every level of racing he's ever been at. He has TALENT, son.Originally Posted by Truth Detector
Or maybe, you think he just isn't as talented as Will Power, Hideki Mutoh, Ed Carpenter, Danica Patrick, Rafael Matos, etc...
The top 12-15 NASCAR Cup drivers, without question, would be front-runners in ANY series they raced in. To say otherwise, is laughable.
I watch both NASCAR and open wheel and I can assure you that no one would be knocked out of their socks in open wheel by Carl Edwards. He is milktoast and boring in any series you put him in.Originally Posted by Jimmy Hendricks
If he can win in any race car, then he would prove it. Until then, he is a guy who runs cup on Sunday and feasts on the amateurs on Saturday.
He is a "safe" guy for sponsors. There is his real gift. He won't get arrested and he won't throw a punch in the pits. He can deliver a commercial line and occasionally get to the front of the pack.
We are getting too many "safe" drivers in NASCAR.
You might as well save your typing fingers Jimmy....
It is more than apparent that they do not know Mr. Edwards as well as they thing they do. His back-story alone is as good as it gets... son of a midwest USAC midget driver.... USAC Silver Crown Pavement experience... the "business card"... the career "advice" received from Uncle Kenny... A college educated "substitute teacher"... ROY Trucks... ROY Busch Series...
Oh... and he seems to have taken a page or two from Danica's book of personal marketing...:
But to those here... he's just another "safe" and "boring" piece of "milk-toast"... How sad for those that don't really know...
Originally Posted by SEVista
First off, you didn't watch the race. Secondly, if you don't like the pre-race don't turn it on until 45 minutes past the time it comes on the air. The NFL runs an hour long pre-game and now the ICS is running 45 minutes of pre-race.
Don't forget the ad Carl Edwards bought in the "Rides Wanted" section of the National Speed Sport News during the 1998 season. While people were probably laughing at him for stooping to begging, he was willing to drive anything if given a chance and worked his way up the ladder with talent.
I did not know who he was back in 1998, but I knew that whoever this Carl Edwards guy is, I am a fan.
If I were Ed Carpenter and you were a lady...
Again I ask..."what is his background in rear-engined formula racing?"
I'm assuming he has none since the question was avoided, you called me son, and suggested that it was "laughable" to imply that he wouldn't win in Indy cars. And I haven't even gotten into Formula One. Which you also say he would win in.
Think maybe the big wreck will increase next week's ratings?
[QUOTE=SEVista]He won't get arrested and he won't throw a punch in the pits.[QUOTE]
I can't remember if Carl has thrown a punch but didn't he choke someone last year in the garage? The word is Carl is actually a bit of a hothead, but he is Eddie Haskel enough to keep all that away from the cameras. I kind of like him for that - being a great talent and a bit of a BS artist.
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You probably think Adam Vinateiri would dominate the Premier League as well - after all, he dominates kicking in American football.Originally Posted by Jimmy Hendricks
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Carl is an exceptional driver, and I'm definitely a fan of his.
He's not a "dynamic personality" by any means, not boring, and definitely not Plastic-Matt Kenseth boring though.
I enjoy watching him race, but I'd enjoy it much more if he doing it a spridget or an IndyCar, or a dirt late model.
As for the ratings... it's no surprise that the ratings are down, the carratamarra just isn't cutting it.
Originally Posted by Jimmy Hendricks
Some food for thought, and I'd venture to say that an ICS car, while not an F1 car, would compare favorably.
Hook (Southern Maryland): What car is harder to drive, open wheel or the COT?
Scott Speed: By far, the Formula One car, just because it has so much more grip and speed in the corner.
Was it a big change for you to go from the 1-1.5 hour F1 races to the 3+ hour NASCAR races? Did you have to alter your training in anyway?
Scott Speed: Yeah, I didn't have to do it anymore. The F1 races are so much more physical...besides the heat, the NASCAR races are quite easy on your body.
Having raced in both, do you think there are some NASCAR drivers that could make it in F1? And could Hamilton drive a Cup car?
Scott Speed: I think the transition is possible. I think that if anyone could do it, it'd be Kyle---he is young, super-talented, and could put in the time. It would take longer than two years to race in F1 because it requires a much different style...wheras NASCAR is much more teachable.
Jeff (Agawam, MA): Scott, how is NASCAR viewed by fans and drivers in Europe and elsewhere in your time in F1- and has the surprise move Montoya made changed views about NASCAR in other parts of the racing world?
Scott Speed: I don't think NASCAR is really viewed at all in Europe. Certainly Montoya's swap to NASCAR is something that is looked at, but it's not noticed too much.
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Is this the same Scott Speed, who is the only full-time driver in Cup, outside the Top 35?Originally Posted by badart
John Andretti was out of one those tricky formula cars for a DECADE. Took him about 1 day, to equal the speed his full-time teammate had reached.Originally Posted by Truth Detector
And, nowadays, John is one of the worst full-time Cup drivers.
Again, the top 12-15 Cup drivers (and I would consider Juan Pablo one of those 12-15, and he has already proven his versatility and viability in Indy Cars) could step into a Indy Car at Indy, with one of the Big 3 teams, and run up front. This year. Without any formula car training. Most (if not all) of those guys have PROVEN their talent, winning races in the toughest form of racing in the country. They have won races and championships in lower rung series. They have won races and championships in completely different forms of racing in different types of cars. They have proven their VERSATILTY. And, a VERSATILE driver, can drive and win in ANYTHING.
Most current Indy Car drivers, get scared, when they step out of their comfort zone. They don't know the meaning of VERSATILITY. And, when they get a chance to go NASCAR, to race against the biggest stars in American racing? Most fall on their faces and can't scurry back quick enough.
Back in the day, the top 12-15 Indy Car drivers, were VERSATILE and could drive and win in anything. Most did. Now, those kinds of drivers and that kind of talent, is in NASCAR.
Yep, the same one who washed out of F1...Originally Posted by Jimmy Hendricks
Originally Posted by Jimmy Hendricks
That does nothing to discredit his comments.
Don't sweat it, Jimmy. I'm sure there are tens of people who think Nascar drivers would win in F1.
Given that at least 3 F1 drivers(Hamilton, Alonso, Kimi) each make about DOUBLE what the top NASCAR drivers make, while running less than half as many races, why aren't these 12-15 drivers taking a crack at F1?Originally Posted by Jimmy Hendricks
Originally Posted by badart
Scott telling us things we all already knew... but interesting to hear him articulate them.
I was cracking up last week when Larry Mac & DW were saying how Danica "wasn't strong enough to race in *******".
That had me rolling.
Even Jason Leffler was laughing at that one when asked about it on a local radio interview earlier today.
I see more humor in trying to compare an F-1 ride to a spec Indycar... now that is funny.
Originally Posted by use2know
Who is making that comparison?
All I see is someone claiming that the top 15 Nascar drivers would win in F1.
Last edited by cleanupcrew; 04-29-2009 at 12:16 AM.
I've been following Carl since he was hitching rides back to Missouri from sprint races at IRP and slogging it out in the trucks for the Mittler Bros. He made it on talent and grit, not his dad's checkbook or some wealthy benefactor. He's from my neck of the woods, so maybe I take some of the criticism of him a bit more personally than I should, but to lump him as a spokesmodel isn't accurate at all. He's a class act and knows how to conduct himself in polite company. He's good with fans. He also races hard and races to win. I just don't see the problem there.Originally Posted by SEVista
As a point of reference, he's won 10% of his career starts in Cup. That's a darn bit more than someone who just runs Cup and mops up on Saturday.
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Wow... do a quick search back for this exact line...:Originally Posted by Truth Detector
"Some food for thought, and I'd venture to say that an ICS car, while not an F1 car, would compare favorably."
Originally Posted by MoparsRule
They were probably just trying to be nice.
If they were telling the truth, they would have just said she isn't good enough to race in NASCAR.
And, we all know that is true.