A lot of people are complaining at SpeedForum about the Nationwide race at Chicagoland Speedway. I believe these people do not know what racing is. They had a very long stretch in the beginning with no caution flag. The result, was that the fastest car with the best driver was in front. And, a not so good combination was second. Hey, this is racing! Because of the lack of caution, many cars went a lap down. Hey, they had lousy cars with lousy drivers in them. Hey, this is racing!
I agree.
Although the fastest car with the fastest driver winning could just be a "speed contest" and not really a "race". And I often find myself rooting for a debris yellow when it's my guy a lap down.
When Dale Jarrett edged out Davey Allison in that thrilling wheel to wheel duel for Dale's first win, his dad Ned pumped his fist and said "THAT's the way I wanted him to win his first, RACING for it!"
What did he mean if just finishing first was just as good?
race [reys] noun, verb, raced, rac⋅ing
–noun
1. a contest of speed, as in running, riding, driving, or sailing.
Oh miss Money Penny
Who was running second behind Tony Stewart?Originally Posted by NoviVespa
Seriously different races as with different series have different aspects. When I go to a race where the leader is in a class by himself, then I watch a race further back in the pack. There is nearly always a race somewhere if you have enough cars to begin with.
Some people will do nearly anything in order to be able to not do anything.
Most NASCAR "fans" wouldn't know a race if they saw one. That's why NASCAR made the change from racing to entertainment. NASCAR is not about racing!
I know what Indy means!
^Are you saying the ICS is racing? Is it entertainment?
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Is the ICS racing? Yes........However this year I would say the ICS is bad racing!
I'm a nascar fan and most of them I know would know a race.Most NASCAR "fans" wouldn't know a race if they saw one. That's why NASCAR made the change from racing to entertainment. NASCAR is not about racing!
Imagine if someone were to make that statement about the IRL fans on the main forum.
Hopefully an IndyCar fan would appear to refute that statement!I'm a nascar fan and most of them I know would know a race.
Imagine if someone were to make that statement about the IRL fans on the main forum.
I agree with you that oldtimer2's post was silly and inaccurate, BTW.
Of course, I am a fan of both IndyCar and NASCAR. Is that allowed?
I'm a NASCAR fan and I agree with Lucky...on all counts...
I think it's more common than some think.Hopefully an IndyCar fan would appear to refute that statement!
I agree with you that oldtimer2's post was silly and inaccurate, BTW.
Of course, I am a fan of both IndyCar and NASCAR. Is that allowed?
Another "debrie" caution tonight in the cup race as 18th and below is one lap down - if I heard correctly on TNT.
Last edited by fivehundred2go; 07-11-2009 at 10:23 PM.
Witnessed Mario's "Miracle at Indy"...Watched 3 win their 4th Indy 500...Was there for Petty's 200th win...Saw the last Novi qualify
What kind of racing gives you the gift of making up a lap without racing for it or strategizing to win it back? Competition would dictate others worked to put you down a lap, but the yellow comes out and POOF! you've got a present!
Part of racing is being bested.
I've got to figure most of what we see anymore is entertainment, add to it all the series are restrained from really running all out. Restrictor plates in nascar, many HP restrictions and canned motors in ICS. They claim it's to keep the cars out of the grandstands.......how about doing a little distance work to the stands, maybe move them back and up? If you want to be entertaining with noses close to the fence ya gotta keep them out of the fence, if you want them to really race at full speed get the noses away from the fence. Then you're back to real racing......well that and get rid of that dog thing.
I'd like to see all out racing once again.
Make the points between 1st and 2nd a lot bigger.
Give a bigger bonus for leading the most laps.
Add a bonus for "most improved position".
"Duty is the most sublime word in our language. Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, you should never wish to do less" - R.E.Lee
Move the stands back at Dega and big D
Put in a second fence
Bag the restrictor plates
Let the teams put that rear wing where ever they damn well please
Dump the splitter for a front valence
Impound every car after qualifying
Short yellows, when it's picked up racing resumes
Gas only on green flags-anything else on yellow flag stops
Put an aero brake under the gas tank for high speed spins
Points systems have little influence on how drivers run, perhaps none at all. There is only so much a driver can do to make up for a car that is not fast enough.
Here is the reason that came about, the Lucky Dog. It was deemed, for safety reasons, not have the cars race back to the start-finish line when a yellow came out to get their lap back. So, they did away with racing back to the yellow. So, to make it that they took away something from racing, they created the Lucky Dog. It doesn't bother me, and, sometimes I like it if one of my drivers is the receipient of the Lucky Dog.
Well then.....what other racing empire uses the "lucky dawg"?
Racing back to the yellow was always a disaster waiting to happen. In fact I've seen it stated where Sr stated he liked it because it added to the action and crashes. To rectify NOT racing to the yellow with the lucky dawg gives someone something they don't deserve. Like handing a panhandler a C note.
What other racing series rewards ineptitude?
They handicap drag racing cars. They add weights to jockeys at horse racing tracks.
Horse racing I care about not at all.
How do they handicap the Pro racers in drag racing? Or are you talking ameteurs?
Certain racers are given the green light before others.
But, those are examples of what you call undeserved advantages.
Getting back to the original post. Tonight, they are complaining about yellows being thrown during the race. So, they don't like races without cautions, and they don't like races with cautions. What other choice is there?
race 'em backward and take the milage off...oh wait, that didn't work for Ferris Bueller either.
I've been to the Grove many years and have yet to see the pros, Force, Garlits, Prudhomme, Shepherd, Hill, Alderman, Glidden etc, ever given an undeserved advantage. Which certain racer is it you speak of?
Some may say that is "inflammatory", but, I know exactly what you're getting at when you say it.Most NASCAR "fans" wouldn't know a race if they saw one. That's why NASCAR made the change from racing to entertainment. NASCAR is not about racing!
Without the constant micro-managing by the officials, there is no way that any 500 lap race at Bristol, Martinsville, RIR, or PIR would ever have more than a handful of cars on the lead lap.
Without the bogus nascar cautions, Lucky Dog, extended yellow flags, opening/closing of pit road, etc, the races today would be no different than they were up through the late 1980's, where the teams & drivers decided how many cars would be on the lead lap & there would still be races where drivers lap the field.
We got what we asked for. For years we wanted racing on TV and for it to be considered a big league sport. It is and now we have this, dumbed down for the television audience and the "casual" fan, whoever the hell that is.
I'll see YOU at the races!
Can you provide a link to where Sr. said that?
"If you're not a race driver, stay the hell home. Don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Get the hell out of the race car if you've got feathers on your legs or butt. Put a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat that candy ass."
When he said that he was railing against restrictor plates, not saying that he wanted more action and more crashes.
Trying to spell hors d'oeuvres
Gets upon my hors n'oeuvres
That would be more in line with what I've heard him say.
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