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  1. 07-14-2009 02:00 PM #1
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    The price of a Miller--what will it auction for?

    The V-16 Miller 1931

    http://www.milleroffy.com/Feature%20Story.htm

    It goes up for auction during the month of August 2009.
    What am I estimated to gavel this fine piece of history?
    (not me really, just a figure of speach)

    $500K
    $1M
    $2.5M
    $5M
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  2. 07-14-2009 03:08 PM #2
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    guess: It will go to a million, then the bidding will slow down. Won't make $2million.
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  3. 07-14-2009 03:38 PM #3
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    I'm saying three quarters of a million. An authentic Miller went for two million a year ago. But this car has been pieced together. The providence on this car is pretty shaky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by don7031
    The providence on this car is pretty shaky.
    The car is from Rhode Island?

    Just a little "provenance" humor.
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  5. 07-14-2009 05:02 PM #5
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    My guess, based on the history presented is $600,000

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    Quote Originally Posted by don7031
    I'm saying three quarters of a million. An authentic Miller went for two million a year ago. But this car has been pieced together. The providence on this car is pretty shaky.
    Are you saying their claim of the "original" skin, motor, axles etc is a bit exhuberant? Dunno, just wondering if there's more to the story than their story.

    EDIT--Man, I gotta slow down when I'm reading, I took it that they found all the original parts, not that they were spread around and long gone. My bad
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  7. 07-14-2009 05:45 PM #7
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    Authenticity and originality are different things. This is an authentic re-creation using many original parts, and the non-original "replica", "re-created" and "replacement" elements are fully documented.

    I'd say $1m
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  8. 07-14-2009 06:43 PM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Type
    Authenticity and originality are different things. This is an authentic re-creation using many original parts, and the non-original "replica", "re-created" and "replacement" elements are fully documented.

    I'd say $1m
    Clear as mud.
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  9. 08-21-2009 10:57 AM #9
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    Both sold

    2009 1927 Miller 91 Rear Drive Racing Car
    Sports & Classics of Monterey $380,000 US
    2009 1931 Miller V16 Racing Car
    Sports & Classics of Monterey $600,000 US Sold
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  10. 08-21-2009 01:00 PM #10
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    My guess, based on the history presented is $600,000
    2009 1931 Miller V16 Racing Car
    Sports & Classics of Monterey $600,000 US Sold
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  11. 08-21-2009 01:16 PM #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevracer
    Even a blind pig finds an acorn once and a while.
    Kev.... Let's stay away from the acorn jokes, ok?

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  12. 08-21-2009 01:25 PM #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by D-Type
    Authenticity and originality are different things. This is an authentic re-creation using many original parts, and the non-original "replica", "re-created" and "replacement" elements are fully documented.

    I'd say $1m
    correct
    here's a link to some more details of the car
    http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/...hp/carno/67811
    I believe I've read that Chuck Davis started off with an original sc intercooler and proceeded on with the recreation from that point.
    Some of the parts are 'original' Miller parts but not necessarily the parts from the original car.
    9 rear drive Miller 91s built at the Long Beach Av factory (1926-29) and not a one survived intact, a victim of their own superior engineering and domination.
    Parts and pieces were still in use and chassis reconfigured for decades after the formula changed in 1930.
    I own a 'tribute car' (recreation using contemporary parts - designed to capture the 'spirit' of the original and of the times) and I'd love to know what happened to the original #15 1927 Boyle Valve Spl rear drive 91 that Cliff Woodbury drove for Umbrella Mike that year. I know it was originally a 1926 Harry Hartz owned car ( I have a photo somewhere of the #3 with Hartz in the cockpit at Miami Fulford BT) and I think I've seen photos of it -renumbered to #5- at Roby Stadium a few years later.
    As for Cliff Woodburry, he never recovered from the 1929 Keech wreck at Altoona and returned to Chicago to run his Gargae
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  13. 08-21-2009 03:12 PM #13
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    Here are the results from this auction house over the last few years in case you recognize something

    Year Sold Year/Make/Model Price

    2008 1935 /41 Miller Ford /Winfield V8
    Joe's Garage - The MacPherson Collection $451,000 US Sold

    2007 1925 Miller 122 Front Drive Race Car
    Monterey Sports & Classic Car Auction $495,000 US Sold

    2008 1923 Miller 122 Supercharged
    Joe's Garage - The MacPherson Collection $2,035,000 US Sold

    2007 1924 Miller 122/183 Convertible Speed Record Car
    Monterey Sports & Classic Car Auction $495,000 US Sold

    2002 1930 Miller 183 Two-Man Indy Race Car
    Monterey Sports and Classic Car Auction $297,000 US Sold

    2009 1927 Miller 91 Rear Drive Racing Car
    Sports & Classics of Monterey $380,000 US

    2009 1931 Miller V16 Racing Car
    Sports & Classics of Monterey $600,000 US Sold

    2004 Miller Museum Cake Car
    S. Ray Miller Collection $550 US Sold

    2008 1930 Sampson Miller U16 Special
    Joe's Garage - The MacPherson Collection $412,500 US Sold

    And I'll bite.....a "cake" car? Typo or am I missing something?
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