Man, could she hug!!!!!Originally Posted by Roadster Fan
Naw, I'd say 46DD....
Man, could she hug!!!!!Naw, I'd say 46DD....
Have a very blessed day!
Hero Cards from my personal collection. The Sullivan one is from 1987. AJs is from about 1988 Id guess.
I do have a Garza hero card too. It will get uploaded
NOT the result of eating prunes...Naw, I'd say 46DD....
ZOOOM
"Doc, just set them fingers sose I can hold the wheel"
James Hurtubise, June, 1964
I have done both with the cap. Usually if I am gonna do a BUNCH of shooting, it's easier just to take it off. When taking Linda Vaughn pics I was worried about "other things" getting in the frame. Sorry, couldn't resist
Melons! Nothing but melons!!!!
Melons! Nothing but melons!!!!
As you were, PH....
ZOOOM
Is it me or is that rear wing kind of scary looking?Gordon Smiley. Practice. Thursday May 13th 1982.
David.
May simply be the camera angle, but it just dont look "right"
Josele Garza hero card from 1982
Kev, go back and look at Hickman's car in post #286. I see your point about how laid back the wing is, but I don't think that is an anomaly. I think both are March 81C
Thanks for posting Josele's hero card, it's awesome! I hope you didn't pay a fortune for it...sorry to say, it's 1983. Better promotion and equipment but most of all, better beer!
It's not just you. I noticed the same thing. When you look at the negative rack in the wing and then think about why Gordon crashed (the rear end stepped out), it becomes a scary premonition.
The Ayn Rand of Indycar
No one had to badge the Offy.
No It was free.Im pretty sure I got it when they had a show car on display in a NJ Mall
What year did the Meadowlands race start? maybe they were promoting that race? Or maybe a race at Pocono. Wasnt Nazareth, it was still a dirt mile in that era
The angle to the track is not always relevant to the angle of air flow. If the air flow moves over the car and terminates slowly on a downward angle the wing can still have downforce, and drag in what appears as a negative angle. This angle (in the photo) may only be neutral to the air flow and not negative to the air producing zero drag, still a risky trim angle at speed, probably guaranteeing disaster in a crowd.
But if the air flow does not contour over the car it could be a negative angle to the air flow. It's difficult to say without knowing what the layer of air is doing on the car.
Does it get any better than this? Sun is shining, 5 minutes before the command to start engines, crowd is electric with anticipation, full bucket of chicken and cooler of cold ones! I'm gettin' those goosebumps!
This was the 1982 edition......Mears, Johncock, what a finish!
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And then the parade lap.....Parsons, Snider, Bettenhausen, J. Sneva and Chet Fillip.
Last edited by Ovalmeister; 09-09-2009 at 03:53 PM.
And another.... J. Sneva, Chet Fillip, Gary Bettenhausen and Pete Halsmer.
David.
The first few rows.......
And finally the pace lap. Cogan and Andretti and a few others ended their day a minute or so later.
Last edited by Ovalmeister; 09-09-2009 at 03:56 PM.
It does look different. However, it's really the end plates that make the wing angle look bad. 1982 Marches still had fixed skirts and put out a ton of downforce; the rear wing really didn't do all that much and quite a few teams laid the rears back into a nearly stalled position to reduce drag. I can also remember some teams actually making new rear wing end plates so that the wing angle didn't look so bad (and also try to hide how far their wing was really laid back). I was working for the Whittington Brothers that year and I remember that we cut off about the last two inches of the standard March wing where it kicked up in the back. We got a flatter wing angle without laying everything back so far.
The rear wing angle probably didn't have too much to do with Smiley's crash. The main thing that got him into trouble was that he tried to correct his spin by turning right into it. With ground effects he went into the wall at a straighter angle. When Rookies used to go through their test in the old days the thing that was hammered into them again and again was to NEVER try to catch a spin at Indy (or any oval for that matter). The idea was to let the car spin on its own path and scrub off speed before it hit something. Today no one says much about it because presumably the cars are safer. After the Smiley crash most of the drivers were convinced that he caused his crash to be much worse than it needed to be by trying to correct his spin.
Here's a few Whittington photos from '82. They aren't very good quality photos but thought you might like to see them.
David.
Bill.....
Bill.....
Last edited by Ovalmeister; 09-09-2009 at 04:02 PM.
That is a Flying Tiger plane as well, could have been my dad flying it that was about the time he started flying for them.
Here's one from the wall down on Don Smith's emporium. He says it is the actual delivery of the Sumar Streamliner to Indy for the 1955 race. The plane behind it is a Curtis C-46 Comando. 'big brother of the C-47...
The car never raced in these colors or with all the fenders either.
ZOOOM
Is it May yet ?
Bobby Rahal 1984 Mid Ohio
Emerson Fittipaldi 1995 Indy
Scott Sharp 1995 Indy
Roberto Guerrero 1995 Indy
Emerson Fittipaldi 1995 Road America
Some inaugural Michigan 500 1981 pics, shot by my dad
Steve Krissiloff's STP Wildcat
Bobby Unser's Norton Spirit
The Chapparal
Pace lap
Eventual winner Pancho Carter #5 during the red flag for the pit fire
Herm Johnson's pit fire
"Promote what you love instead of bashing what you hate."
2012 Indianapolis 500 Photo Gallery
2011 Indianapolis 500 photo gallery
And some of my Indy shots:
Despite having to have his nose replaced during the race, and then incurring this damage, Buddy Lazier still managed a 5th place finish in 2005.
2006 - last lap, last turn
Michael,
Thank you for adding your work to this fabulous archive. Brilliant photos!
There should be at least one "coffee table" book from collections like these, if not several. This is a treat.
Andy
A few years back the IRL cars were also doing that...The angle to the track is not always relevant to the angle of air flow. If the air flow moves over the car and terminates slowly on a downward angle the wing can still have downforce, and drag in what appears as a negative angle. This angle (in the photo) may only be neutral to the air flow and not negative to the air producing zero drag, still a risky trim angle at speed, probably guaranteeing disaster in a crowd.
But if the air flow does not contour over the car it could be a negative angle to the air flow. It's difficult to say without knowing what the layer of air is doing on the car.
These pics do not compare to the others, but snapped these myself back in 1985? with an instamatic.
Josele Garza
Al Unser Jr.
Mario's Newman Haas car
Hey, don't be critical, we welcome ALL pictures here!
It just shows how cameras have changed over the years.
Good shots, though...
ZOOOM
Agreed....no other camera on earth recorded that moment of time you've shown us. Keep em coming.
Trenton 1969, National Champ Bobby Unser on the pole with his Bardahl special, next to him brother Al, starting third Mario and I believe #6 would be Foyt. This is looking down the front straight.
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