I was also a fan of Janet Guthrie. Got her autograph as a young kid, she was really nice and didn't seem to be bothered by me, lol. Here's a few shots I took with my trusty InstaMatic.
post #1467 is Roger McClusky around 1967
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Originally Posted by Ovalmeister
Could be wrong but I think thats Bob Hurt/1968.
Sam Sessions also drove this car in 68 and I think Jigger Sirois DNQ'ed it in 69.
Last edited by Don Roberts; 12-04-2009 at 07:41 PM.
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McClusky 1967 Eagle Ford. He started Indy in 22nd and finished 19th after his engine gave way after 165 laps.Originally Posted by Ovalmeister
1975 Fast Friday, Bill Puterbaugh - started 15th, finished 7th (9 laps down)
Janet came to I-70 Speedway to take part in an ASA race, using a good car owned by Jim Back of Wisconsin. During a qualifying race on Saturday night, she was running in the last transfer spot, and neatly fed a fender to somebody who had first bumped her, then tried elbow her out of the way for the inside line. Didn't crash him, but let him know he was going to have to go around the hard way. He never tried.Originally Posted by DaveL
I never expected this from someone who came up through sports car racing, particularly a woman in the 1970s. After the race I told her she could run under my flags anytime.
Originally Posted by Ovalmeister
Definately Graham Hill, I think '67. The Lotus cars of Hill and Clark were terrible that year. Looks like his helmet hanging on the mirror (he liked to do that).
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Originally Posted by indybigjohn
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No one had to badge the Offy.
Originally Posted by Ovalmeister
That could be a car Jerry Grant DNQ'd with in 1969.
I can't find any record of Rick Muther ever driving a car 76.Originally Posted by Ovalmeister
I am totally stumped.
.....'Hey, DaveL, 'I can verify that you are correct on the #78 Friedkin car of Jerry Grant from 1969. But, as so many times before, the Phil Harms/motorsport.com statistics are wrong. Alan, from OldRacingCars is aware of that flaw and always appreciates any updates. Anyway, most stats at Indy that year have Grant's #78 car listed as an Eagle with a turbo-charged Offy. But, looking at it........it's not? Because at the previous race at Hanford (CA) the team ran a turbo-charged Chevy. And that's exactly what the engine is in the #78 car that Ovalmeister's brother's pic depicts. Also, tnindyman's probably right about the STP #80 car. There was no #80 car entered at Indy that year but, Graham and Clark ran #'s 81 & 31. So, #80 was obviously run in practice only.....'just a note: I do have some very sophisticated computer photo enhancement software and that's not Graham's helmet on the rear view mirror.
.....'DaveL, Damn, please don't lose any sleep tonight over that #76 car. I think I can help you out. The car belonged to Marvin Webster from Mill Valley (CA) who owned a very successful racing manufacturing company called Webster Gears. He was very similar to Joe Hunt (Magnetos) as a very loyal, albeit low-buck car owner. Hence the older car (either the Eagle or the Eisert chassis, can't tell) with a normally aspirated Chevy engine. My own take on what happened was, Marvin probably asked Rick Muther, a fellow Californian to drive the car and had Rick's name lettered on the car. As soon as the car got to Indy and wasn't cuttin' the mustard, Rick hopped out and got into a more competitive Hawk with a turbo-charged Offy. And that would have been 1970. But hey! 'That's why I enjoy so much, all these mystery photos that Ovalmeister has been posting!...............note: 'Forgot to mention that when Jerry Grant quit the #78 Friedkin car, he went straight over to Marvin Webster's car with that NA Chevy and finished out 1969.
This is what I mean when I say the collective knowledge in this thread would make for a terrific book.Originally Posted by LittleFauss
Thanks for the great information. I kinda figured that picture was from early in the month before Muther gave up on the car, or the team gave up on him-one or the other. The record shows Kevin Bartlett in the #76 Webster car, and the car listed as an Eisert chassis with a Chevy.
"Pops" Webster did not have much luck at Indy. Off the top of my head, I want to say their last hurrah was in 1976 with Jim MceLreath getting bumped.
Little Fauss, in the Indy Chronicle book, they list the car Muther drove in 1970 as a 65 Hawk. Was that Mario's Hawk chassis from '65? I thought I remember reading that somewhere.Originally Posted by LittleFauss
The 1975 Webster ride with Billy Scott at the wheel.
.....'Don Roberts, 'Now that, I'd like to know. If I could just get my hands on my 1969-1972 Indy 500 Yearbook, it would probably provide that info. So if anyone has it handy, I'd check there. Because any car that makes the race, Hungness usually provides a little history on each car. And Calhoun! 'Thanks for that. I remember hearing the story that for the Bicentennial year of 1976, Roger Penske offered Marvin Webster A LOT of money for the USAC car owner number 76. And Marvin said no. Penske instead ran #68 with that mild stars & stripes paint job.
Not one of my finer shots, but another pic of Scott in the Webster #76 on pole day in 1975.
You mean this car?Originally Posted by LittleFauss
Pancho and Billy ScottOriginally Posted by Calhoun
What strikes me about the picture is the apparent difference in the size and location of the plenums, unless that's just the camera angle.
does anyone have pictures of the 1973 Indy 500 that shows
Johncock driving from the pitlane into victory circle after the race?
or know where i can get a copy of the "stp" commercial shot during
thx in advance
No, I don't think it is camera angle. The 76 car has the intake plenum on the right side of the block and about equal to the top of the cam covers. You can also see it very distinctly in the photo of the partially striped down 76 car. The plenum on the 11 car seems on the center line (or maybe a bit to the right) and above the cam covers. It seems to me that more people used the mounting like the 76 car.Originally Posted by DaveL
.................................................. .................................................. ......'Yes, Calhoun, that's the car. For ultra-conservative Roger Penske, that was a "wild" paint scheme for them! But, as far as that intake plenum goes, you've got to remember, there was a whole lot of difference in money spent between Marvin Webster and Bob Fletcher's all-mighty, Cobre Tire team. After the Eagle and the Eisert chassis' of the sixties, Marvin stepped up and returned to Indy in '73 with a newer, more modern Eagle chassis (Slobodynskyj designed) but obviously didn't upgrade on the horsepower and ultimately missed the show at Indy 4 years in a row. And to ad sadness on to that, Marvin's son, Marvin, Jr. who was running Webster Gears at the time, passed away of cancer at a very young age; I'm guessing, 20 years ago??? BTW, does anyone know just exactly where Billy Scott came from back then? He was from San Bernardino, but I don't recall him racing sprint cars at Ascot Park or coming out of SCCA?
I don't know if it was something in the engine compartment that I knew was different or just the fact that the car was sitting on pit lane with no one around it. (After all, it was only almost 35 years ago )Originally Posted by DaveL
For whatever reason, I documented the engine bay pretty well that morning.
Sheesh. You would have thought I was Billy Scott fan. (I wasn't.) The more I look through my 1975 pics the more I find.
Billy and Al. Both cars were dnq's.
Al was the first car to take a qualifying attempt in '75 and Billy was the last, so that picture takes on a different significanceOriginally Posted by Calhoun
According to his bio in the '76 Hungness Yearbook, he was a drag racer who later ran NASCAR Sportsman stocks and CRA sprints.Originally Posted by LittleFauss
.....'Calhoun, 'Not that everyone else's aren't, your pictures are awesome! I could just sit there and stare at that Offy engine all day long.....'And tnindyman, 'Stumbled upon a few more of that mysterious #80 STP of Graham Hill that you spotted from Ovalmeister's collection. And the #81 that Graham actually ran in the race itself. 'How about the collection of legends handing around the #80?.............................................. .................................................. ..
Last edited by LittleFauss; 12-07-2009 at 12:16 AM.
Thanks LittleFauss, that's a cool photo of Jerry Grant. I can officially mark those pics off as "no longer a mystery"!