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    DAYTONA BEACH - Jimmie Johnson wants more information before he endorses or objects to another round of changes to NASCAR's version of a postseason.
    NASCAR chairman Brian France said during his midseason news conference Friday at Daytona that the sanctioning body is looking "pretty carefully" at ways to ratchet up the drama in the Chase.

    He gave no specifics, and Johnson, the four-time defending Sprint Cup champion, said he has only heard ideas so far.

    "From my conversations with them, they are very serious about making some changes," Johnson said. "I don't know what that looks like because we've talked about minor changes all the way to some very extreme options."

    France said NASCAR is happy with the basic structure of a points reset for qualifying drivers with 10 races to go - implemented in 2004 - but "wants to make sure it's giving us the biggest impact moments it was designed to do."

    Ideas that have been floated include expanding the field of 12 drivers and eliminating one or two drivers after each race and making the season finale a winner-take-all event even if the point totals don't support that.
    Johnson is skeptical.

    "I know their No. 1 goal is to make it entertaining and exciting," he said. "The thing I keep questioning them on is making sure it follows the history of our sport and a champion is crowned in a way that respects the past and past champions.

    "Some of the ideas I've heard are absolutely crazy - it's more of a crapshoot than anything. That side of it, if it comes down to it, I wouldn't agree with, but it's not my series and I don't get to make those decisions."

    Only a couple of years ago, France acknowledged NASCAR made too many changes in a short time frame for core fans to digest. Those included title sponsorship, the Car of Tomorrow and the Chase format.

    He announced a "back to basics" initiative during his 2008 preseason address and said, "we're going to minimize change the best we can."

    Most of the changes NASCAR has made since 2008 - including less regulation, the return of spoilers and standardized starting times - have, in fact, moved NASCAR back toward its roots.

    A radical change to the Chase would reverse the trend.

    "I don't mind some type of elimination process," Johnson said, "but I think when you come down to crowning the champion, it can't be about one race, and that option has been thrown around as well. I just think that's unfair.

    "It takes away from the history of our sport, and we're already down to 10 races to crown a champion. To have things reset after nine and winner take all, I just don't think it reflects and respects what our sport is about."

    Johnson has won four championships under the current format, which has undergone a few relatively minor tweaks since Kurt Busch won the first Chase. So it's only natural that he would favor keeping the current format.

    Yet, Johnson said his objection to radical change is more about the integrity of the championship.

    "What's funny is that when I brought up my points (to NASCAR), they all busted into laughter, saying, 'We expected this out of you,'" Johnson said. "I was, 'OK, no, no, that's fine. I'll race anyway.'

    "I had a hard time with the Chase anyway, because I felt like it took away from what (Dale) Earnhardt did and what (Richard) Petty did (winning seven championships each), but I know the times are changing, and we need to stay current with it."

    France defended NASCAR's decision to re-evaluate the Chase, noting that other professional sports leagues made adjustments to their postseasons.

    "You saw the NCAA Tournament took a hard look at how many teams to add into their tournament and had a big idea. Then they ended up adding a few teams (three). There are a lot of things we'll look at."

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    I think the NCAA tournament is a very good comparison; they're going to float a bunch of horrendously stupid ideas, wait for the inevitable fan backlash, then introduce some minor changes and take all of the credit for not doing what they said they were going to do. Or am I too cynical?

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    On Friday NASCAR chairman Brian France met with reporters for about 30 minutes. The most interesting nugget he tossed out was that NASCAR is strongly considering changing the Chase format in 2011. "The Chase is an evolution," France said. "So we'll weak that just like other sports leagues. You saw the NCAA tournament take a hard look at how many teams to add into their tournament and had a big idea, ad then they ended up adding a few teams. There are lots of things that we'll look at."

    One change that seems to be gaining support in the garage would be to make the Chase an elimination-style format. Under one scenario, 15 drivers would make the 10-race playoff. After two races, the field would be trimmed to 10. After three more races, the field would be cut to five. After two more, the field would shrink to three drivers, who would then battle for the championship over the last three races. I personally like this idea, because it would create more tension -- and hence more drama -- throughout the Chase.

    One other idea that's being thrown around is to include a road-course event in the 10-race playoff. If these are truly the best drivers in the world, which is what NASCAR continually pronounces, then the ability to turn right and left should be included when determining a champion. Will this happen? I still doubt it, but it would be nice to see Watkins Glen (N.Y.) International on the Chase schedule. Put simply, it doesn't make sense to have two road races in the regular season and none in the Chase.




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    How long do we go before France admits what everybody already knows. This was a stupid idea to solve a perceived, but not existant, problem and it has not acomplished anything. Abandon it and bring back what was there before.

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    Hey, finishing 12th in the points has never been as cool as it is today.

    Yes, the 11th loser can be a winner.

    If the sponsors win, fans and NASCAR win--simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamC View Post
    How long do we go before France admits what everybody already knows. This was a stupid idea to solve a perceived, but not existant, problem and it has not acomplished anything. Abandon it and bring back what was there before.
    Yeah, right, BF admit to a mistake?

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    While I'm still not a huge fan of the chase, if they are going to change it I kind of like the 15/10/5/3 idea. It kind of weeds out like that anyway, and presuming the drivers would be back to equal each time it cuts down that might beat the current system. Of course, they could just go back to the real system which would make some of us quite happy. Nah.

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    The idea of this "chase" was the perceived problem (by NBC, which is no longer involved in the series) that NASCAR ratings decline after the NFL starts.

    This "chase" was supposed to solve that "problem". It did not. It has failed, and deligitimized the "champion" it purports to crown.

    It is time to understand that it is a natural fact that ratings for other sports, all other sports decline in NFL season. Accept that, be happy with what you get, and bring back:

    - An even points system with every race the same and consistancy is rewards.

    - Racing back to the caution.

    - Stock-appearing race cars.

    In other words, bring back what worked. Every BF change has failed.

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    This is a very stupid idea.

    Even more stupid than the existing chase

    Which means I give it a 50/50 chance of Brian France embracing it and installing it ASAP

    Still trying to fix the thing they said they needed to fix the thing that wasnt broke
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    Quote Originally Posted by KevMcNJ View Post
    This is a very stupid idea.

    Even more stupid than the existing chase

    Which means I give it a 50/50 chance of Brian France embracing it and installing it ASAP

    Still trying to fix the thing they said they needed to fix the thing that wasnt broke
    Agree with you, but don't hate the 15/10/5 concept more than the current version. If they are going to insist on a "playoff" that would at least keep things interesting until the end if I am understanding it correctly.

    All for going back to the pre-chase system.

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    If something is fixed to be good, is it really that good?

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    They fixed something that wasn't broken and can't figure out how to unfix it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jandj View Post
    They fixed something that wasn't broken and can't figure out how to unfix it.


    The PTB know how to fix it but that would make them admit they made a mistake

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    I think they should have one final sprint race to decide the title, just for the twelve chase cars, at the end of the season. Maybe a fifty lapper. Reset the points so they are five or so points apart. And use an inverted start. That could be exciting. Have a fan vote for a thirteenth qualifier. So junior starts on the pole the years he misses the top twelve.
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