Daytona 500 and two car tandems

**ramberg** · 02-20-2011 03:22 PM

Is it just me or is the two car tandem really boring racing? God help us all if indycars ever adopt it. Oh, and one more thing: isn't "two car tandem" redundant?? Leave it to Nascar..

**readgols** · 02-20-2011 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by ramberg

Is it just me or is the two car tandem really boring racing? God help us all if indycars ever adopt it. Oh, and one more thing: isn't "two car tandem" redundant?? Leave it to Nascar..

The little I watched is very odd. It's like cycling sprints in the Olympics. Yes, two cae tandem is redundant. But remember, N***Car invented the SAFER barrier, the rear view mirror and the wheel.

**Tree0404** · 02-20-2011 03:26 PM

I wish I could say something derogatory about the boringness of this race as well....but the past 2 Indy 500s have been very very boring follow-the-leader (come on, lets be honest....ain't no way Conway leads 15 laps in a D&R car if it wasn't a spec series....back in the 80s and early 90s, if you were a mid-pack car lucky enough to get to 1st place based on pit strategy, you were lucky just to keep the lead through turn 2 of the restart) soooooooo....

**indyracefan** · 02-20-2011 03:28 PM

2x2, 2x2, 2x2...I thought perhaps an Ark was being built.

**ramberg** · 02-20-2011 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by indyracefan

2x2, 2x2, 2x2...I thought perhaps an Ark was being built.

LOL!! I just think this is really "dumb"... sorry to bash Nascar, it just is dumb.

**irlracingfan** · 02-20-2011 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Tree0404

I wish I could say something derogatory about the boringness of this race as well....but the past 2 Indy 500s have been very very boring follow-the-leader (come on, lets be honest....ain't no way Conway leads 15 laps in a D&R car if it wasn't a spec series....back in the 80s and early 90s, if you were a mid-pack car lucky enough to get to 1st place based on pit strategy, you were lucky just to keep the lead through turn 2 of the restart) soooooooo....

Right...

Back in the 80's and '90's the car on the pole was 20MPH faster than the guy on the bubble and lapped the entire field... now THAT is exciting racing... NOT!!!

As far as the na*car two car tandems (of course there are two-cars - two make a tandem) of course it is stupid... it's a circus aka nascar, what do you expect? I hope I don't get in trouble for knocking another series, but I REALLY do think it looks stupid. Sorry...

**Mike Kellner** · 02-20-2011 03:43 PM

Back in the 80's and '90's the car on the pole was 20MPH faster than the guy on the bubble and lapped the entire field... now THAT is exciting racing... NOT!!!

I thought those races were better than the Tony Era races. JMHO.

mk

**ramberg** · 02-20-2011 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Tree0404

I wish I could say something derogatory about the boringness of this race as well....but the past 2 Indy 500s have been very very boring follow-the-leader (come on, lets be honest....ain't no way Conway leads 15 laps in a D&R car if it wasn't a spec series....back in the 80s and early 90s, if you were a mid-pack car lucky enough to get to 1st place based on pit strategy, you were lucky just to keep the lead through turn 2 of the restart) soooooooo....

But, I am an open wheel nut, so 33 open wheel cars going 230 mph is not boring to me. It can always be better, but I find cars with fenders driving in tandem with each other for 500 miles BORING...and yes, I turned it off and went to this forum to read and post about indy cars!! To each its own; I just don't think it is very good entertainment.

**ramberg** · 02-20-2011 03:51 PM

P.S. I really like this forum. I am an oldtimer from Indycar.com nation's forum and you guys are fun to chat with and read...

**WVIndyFan** · 02-20-2011 03:51 PM

YAWN.

How is this supposed to be exciting? It's one thing to draft with a teammate and slingshot around another team's car, but I do not understand this at all. Who's going to be the winner, the pusher or the driver being pushed? Or maybe they will awards winner's points to both cars in the winning tandem.

Maybe there is some purpose to this that I just don't 'get.' Feel free to educate me. Meanwhile I will go back to propping up my eyelids to watch this race (and telling 10 year old son for the billionth time that no, he cannot change the channel).

**indyracefan** · 02-20-2011 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by ramberg

P.S. I really like this forum. I am an oldtimer from Indycar.com nation's forum and you guys are fun to chat with and read...

Welcome aboard ramberg. Some very passionate and knowledgeable fans (and even some connected in one way or another to the series or teams) with a very diverse set of opinions. No matter what your take is, most generally there is always something you can learn by 'someone' and there's a few laughs to be had too! All-in-all a pretty good bunch here IMO.

**Mike Kellner** · 02-20-2011 04:02 PM

Maybe there is some purpose to this that I just don't 'get.'

Yea, it's stupid, but I get it. It's faster, and faster is better than slower.

I sure am glad we don't have this ****.

mk

**readgols** · 02-20-2011 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by ramberg

Is it just me or is the two car tandem really boring racing? God help us all if indycars ever adopt it. Oh, and one more thing: isn't "two car tandem" redundant?? Leave it to Nascar..

If it is a two-car tandem, would you ahve a three-car triad and a four car quadriline?
Maybe at the end of the race they will annouince the first place winner.

**Formula Indy** · 02-20-2011 05:04 PM

When they did the train thing that was kind of cool because some one would try to pass and they could either go forward with help or all the way back. I can not get into this. It is hard to watch. DW and Digger make it almost unbearable.

**NoviVespa** · 02-20-2011 05:56 PM

I thought today's was great and exciting. Especially the finish.

**indyfan320i** · 02-20-2011 05:57 PM

If you have a Dolby 5.1 surround sound, just unplug the center speaker and turn the TV audio off. That takes care of the announcers rather well

. It's like "crank it up" for the entire show.

I'm not much for stock car racing anymore, the 2 car stuff all day was not very exciting but I've got to admit the end was entertaining to watch (but it still doesn't mean it's "real" racing). I get a crack out of how beat up the cars are at the end of the race...IMHO, you should not have to partner with another car or bump or tag anyone to make a "race".

**Tree0404** · 02-20-2011 06:29 PM

I think its a double edged sword.

I prefer the closer racing and 15+ cars on the lead lap at the end of the 500 that the current races produce...you haven't seen a driver get a lead like Danny Sullivan in '88 in years...

but at the same time

there is less passing, especially for the lead, and

I don't want someone a la a Mike Conway or Bertrand Baguette to win the Indy 500 based on fuel strategy if they find their way in first place with 20 laps to go and then they are able to "fend off" the rest of the field. Dario had a car to wipe the field with last year, but he wasn't able to get close enough to Conway to pass him because its so hard to pass now with Indy as a spec series (thank goodness thats coming to a close in 2012). It was NOT because Conway had as good of a car and was/is as good of a driver as Franchitti.

**ramberg** · 02-20-2011 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Tree0404

I think its a double edged sword.

I prefer the closer racing and 15+ cars on the lead lap at the end of the 500 that the current races produce...you haven't seen a driver get a lead like Danny Sullivan in '88 in years...

but at the same time

there is less passing, especially for the lead, and

I don't want someone a la a Mike Conway or Bertrand Baguette to win the Indy 500 based on fuel strategy if they find their way in first place with 20 laps to go and then they are able to "fend off" the rest of the field. Dario had a car to wipe the field with last year, but he wasn't able to get close enough to Conway to pass him because its so hard to pass now with Indy as a spec series (thank goodness thats coming to a close in 2012). It was NOT because Conway had as good of a car and was/is as good of a driver as Franchitti.

But it's okay for some 20 year old named Trevor Bayne to win his first time out in a car that needed to be pushed all the way around the track??? I don't get it...do we even know if he had the fastest car or even a fast car???

**Openracer** · 02-20-2011 07:21 PM

The race was boring and full of wrecks and limited strategy. NASCAR was far better 20 years ago. HAving said that, congratulations to Trevor Baine and The Wood Bros.

**ramberg** · 02-20-2011 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by indyracefan

Welcome aboard ramberg. Some very passionate and knowledgeable fans (and even some connected in one way or another to the series or teams) with a very diverse set of opinions. No matter what your take is, most generally there is always something you can learn by 'someone' and there's a few laughs to be had too! All-in-all a pretty good bunch here IMO.

Thank you - it's nice to be here. You'll get a laugh out of some of the other guys (and gals) that came over from Indycar.com. Railroad's a hoot, Antoneli, GrafixMatt, Solvera, etc...

**Tree0404** · 02-20-2011 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by ramberg

But it's okay for some 20 year old named Trevor Bayne to win his first time out in a car that needed to be pushed all the way around the track??? I don't get it...do we even know if he had the fastest car or even a fast car???

Certainly not. Today's restrictor plate racing is similar to the spec series indy 500s

**ndcrs** · 02-21-2011 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by indyracefan

2x2, 2x2, 2x2...I thought perhaps an Ark was being built.

nascar built that long ago (sorry, couldn't resist)

**hdolan** · 02-21-2011 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by readgols

The little I watched is very odd. It's like cycling sprints in the Olympics. Yes, two cae tandem is redundant. But remember, N***Car invented the SAFER barrier, the rear view mirror and the wheel.

I didn't know that...could you provide a link...thanks

**dalz** · 02-21-2011 08:32 AM

I thought it was as entertaining a plate race as I've seen in a while, a long while. It beat the usual one long line, maybe the outside line can challenge, four-car breakaway that will stay static to the checkered. Maybe it beat it because it was REAL different. It was new strategies that we never saw before. I wish they would have kept the 200+ speeds intact from the Shootout, as it may have brought handling in as more of a factor on hot, slick race day. Not bad at all for a plate Daytona 500.

**Mario4ever** · 02-21-2011 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by ndcrs

nascar built that long ago (sorry, couldn't resist)

Nascar invented Noah, I've heard

**Jack Harrington** · 02-21-2011 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by ramberg

But it's okay for some 20 year old named Trevor Bayne to win his first time out in a car that needed to be pushed all the way around the track??? I don't get it...do we even know if he had the fastest car or even a fast car???

ramberg: People that should know say his car was a rocket...

**Jack Harrington** · 02-21-2011 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by hdolan

I didn't know that...could you provide a link...thanks

Howard: Why yes, as a matter of fact I can...They even had a T-shirt printed up, to commemorate the completion of the Arc...It's officially known as the VICTORY ARC. And of course it wasn't long before Morgan Shepherd invented the START AND PARK, VICTORY ARC. http://www.gearbuyer.com/products/te...hirt_mens.html http://www.morganshepherd.com So you see, they did invent the damn Arc, now go play golf, and quit bitchin'...

**sifaka** · 02-21-2011 10:04 AM

What surprised me was the number of wrecks started by the tandem partner butting the tandem leader. Seems the art of getting close, but not too close still is a difficult one.