Semi-Official Cool Old NASCAR Pics Thread. (idea stolen from ZOOOM with his blessing)

[KevMcNJ]

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[KevMcNJ]

Page 4. I assume this was a bi- weekly letter since it says it was issue # 16 on page 1

[Beentherebefore]

You are absolutely right, Kevin.

That was the ONLY way in those days that you could get your Nascar racing news. If you were really lucky, you could catch exerpts of one of the bigger races on "Wide World Of Sports" 3 or 4 weeks after they occured. "Hot Rod" magazine and "Motor Trend" would sometimes have feature stories with nice pictures of the races at Riverside, Daytona, and the Charlotte "World 600" but they would appear 2 or 3 months after the events took place. I remember when the Chrysler Hemis took Daytona by storm in 1964, "Sports Illustrated" covered the event with an article titled "Swoop of a Secret Weapon". I still have a copy of that one around somewhere.

[indybigjohn]

Beentherebefore is right. You had to be subscribing to NSSN or another paper to get the news. There was a five-minute segment on the old NBC (I think) weekend radio show, "Monitor" at about 8:55 p.m. Eastern on Sunday evening when they gave race results. I was a member of NASCAR for a few years and recall getting the newsletters.

[atrackforumfan]

Thought this might be interesting. Pic is ID'd as at VIR. This is RLP in 1966 with a factory Barracuda Trans-Am car; Chrysler engineer Scott Harvey operated the team, like the Ramchargers. Bob Tullius of Group 44 had the Dodge Dart deal (the backward 44 on the car in the background is their logo). The Barracudas were that color blue all year. Chrysler dropped out at the end of the year, then came back in 1970.

Pic is from http://public.fotki.com/gwadagone/tr...hardpetty.html

[randypeterson]

We are currently restoring this 71 Roadrunner. This car ran as the #32 car at Ontario and Riverside in 1972 and driven by Kevin Terris. Kevin Terris had an earlier car, a 1969 Roadrunner, which he ran before and after the 1971 Roadrunner. We do not need information on the 1969 car. Does anyone have any information where this car might have run in 1971 and/or any prior history of it? Does anyone have any photos of this car which might help in documenting its history and which might help us in its restoration? The 71 Roadrunner is the red car on the right in the picture below. Please contact Randy at randy@peterson-motorsports.com 707-974-8061.

[randypeterson]

We are currently restoring this 1960 Starliner. This car was owned Junie Donleavey in 1960, later owned by the Wamsleys from Virginia. It was driven by several drivers among them Speedy Thompson and Runt Harris. We have found only 3 pictures of this car and one of them is below. Does anyone have any other pictures that would help us in the restoration of this car? Anyone have any historical information on this car? Contact Randy at randy@peterson-motorsports.com 707-974-8061.

[Beentherebefore]

We are currently restoring this 71 Roadrunner. This car ran as the #32 car at Ontario and Riverside in 1972 and driven by Kevin Terris. Kevin Terris had an earlier car, a 1969 Roadrunner, which he ran before and after the 1971 Roadrunner. We do not need information on the 1969 car. Does anyone have any information where this car might have run in 1971 and/or any prior history of it? Does anyone have any photos of this car which might help in documenting its history and which might help us in its restoration? The 71 Roadrunner is the red car on the right in the picture below. Please contact Randy at randy@peterson-motorsports.com 707-974-8061.

Have you contavted Joe Machado who runs this site?

http://aerowarriors.com/vftjmc1.html

He worked on Kevin Terris's pit crew in 1971. Here is a quote from one of the videos on that site (even though it involves the '70 body);

Kevin Terris - Joe made the trip from California to Charlotte, North Carolina in 1971 as a member of Kevin Terris' pit crew. This video shows a small portion of Terris' unsuccessful qualifying run for the World 600. The Road Runner seen here started life as a '68 Satellite street car that was found abandoned in a Los Angeles airport parking lot. The car experienced several re-incarnations in its racing life, including a brief stint as a SuperBird which finished 38th at the Falstaff 400 on June 14, 1970.

[Beentherebefore]

McGriff 1972 Plymouth Roadrunner wins @ Portland NASCAR West in 1972



Looks like a '70 Roadrunner to me but ol' Herschell won the race nevertheless.

[Beentherebefore]

[DaveD28]

I VISITED RICHARD CHILDRESS SHOPS IN 1986 ...LOOKED KINDA SMALL..HUH!!!

Jerry,that trailer in the background was purchased by Delma Cowart Racing sometime in 2000.

[Beentherebefore]

Found this shot of neil Bonnet's first Cup win at Ontario, Calif, 1977. Picture compliments of Bakerracingpix.

[Beentherebefore]

Good shot of Frank Warren's Dodge Magnum in turn #6 at Riverside, June, 1979. Picture compliments of Bakerracing.

Top picture - John Borneman, Bobby Allison, & Richard Petty - same race

[KevMcNJ]

Jerry,that trailer in the background was purchased by Delma Cowart Racing sometime in 2000.

I pass race shops all the time during my work day. That building would be turned down by a start up team now. RCR is an industrial park sized complex now. I think the building in this photo is now the museum. What was the reason for this pic? Its sort of generic

[THE BEAR]

I pass race shops all the time during my work day. That building would be turned down by a start up team now. RCR is an industrial park sized complex now. I think the building in this photo is now the museum. What was the reason for this pic? Its sort of generic

The first time i ever visted the Childress shops, they were in his back yard in W-S. He was building and driving his own stuff.....working from the two car family garage along side the house.

How times have changed, eh?

[KevMcNJ]

Where in Winston-Salem was his shop? Im up there about once a week

[Beentherebefore]

Jimmy Crawford 1972

[Beentherebefore]

Joey Arrington's father 1972

[Neshaminy]

We are currently restoring this 71 Roadrunner. This car ran as the #32 car at Ontario and Riverside in 1972 and driven by Kevin Terris. Kevin Terris had an earlier car, a 1969 Roadrunner, which he ran before and after the 1971 Roadrunner. We do not need information on the 1969 car. Does anyone have any information where this car might have run in 1971 and/or any prior history of it? Does anyone have any photos of this car which might help in documenting its history and which might help us in its restoration? The 71 Roadrunner is the red car on the right in the picture below. Please contact Randy at randy@peterson-motorsports.com 707-974-8061.

Ahhh....Marty Robbins in the lead!!! Wait.....what?

[JThur1]

Pace lap, 1964, Petty and Pearson on the front row. Riverside?

Bridgehampton, Long Island, New York.

[atrackforumfan]

Brock Yates' Nascar book (mostly reprints of his 60s articles for C/D) has a story on that trip North by Pearson and Owens, including IIRC a feud between Ned Jarrett and Billy Wade.

IIRC it has the old deadpan line, "We ain't gonna run with the sporty cars? Damn. I was looking forward to killin' me a couple of them l'il gentlemen."

The book includes a great story about Linda Vaughn at her height. I remember the story from when it originally ran in the magazine.

[JThur1]

Probably a regular in what was once known as the Winston West Series.

They ran up and down the west Coast and when the Winston Cup ran at Ontario or Riverside a few of the Winston West teams would make an attempt to qualify. The cars were more or less Cup legal IIRC and they were welcome to help pad the field.

I do remember Winston West used to schedule a race at Phoenix the week after the Winston Cup season ended at Riverside and some of the Cuppers would stick around and race at Phoenix too. The King won that race a time or two on the way back to Level Cross

Back then, it was more than a few. In the 60's & 70's, half or more of the field was made up of what was then known as PCLM, GNW or WGN.

You're right that rules wise they were legal for Cup, and good recall on the November-December Phoenix date.

[atrackforumfan]

Were quick change rears legal in the west?

[JThur1]

Can I ask you for the link where you found that information?

I was acquainted with Norm, chatted with him in the pits after several Winston West races in the early 70s. He was better known as a very good engine builder, particularly Chrysler big-block wedges. He built the engines for Gary Sigman's '72 Dodge Charger driven by Bill Butts on the Winston West circuit in '72 and '73. The car had several podium finishes with Norm's wedge motors under the hood racing against the Hemi powered Mopars of the other front runners (Elder, McCoy, McGriff, Bown). The circuit ran not only on Calif tracks but also in Oregon, Washington, Briish Columbia, and Las Vegas, Nevada. Norm started driving in the Sportsman (later Busch) series on the West coast, but only the larger races. He had a dayglow red '70 Plymouth Roadrunner, powered by (naturally) a Chrysler bb wedge. He later moved up to the Winston West series. The car in the pictures I posted above was actually an old Petty car (had originally been the #11 driven by Buddy Baker in '71 and '72) that was then sold to Ray Elder who ran it for 3 years on the West circuit before selling it to Norm.

I knew that Norm had been killed in a highway accident but didn't know the details that you posted, hence asking for the link.

When I saw the info on Norm Palmer in the Stock Car Racing Encyclopedia, I wondered about it. Then I discovered it happened not too far from where I live. When I found out exactly where the accident happened, I knew it was wrong. So, I checked microfilm of the local newspaper and found an account of the mishap. A ravine past a 'T' intersection with the highway is accurate, "cliff" is not.

I compiled and sent a huge amount of info (dates of birth, death, hometowns, corrected spellings, etc.) to Greg Fielden for inclusion in a revision of the Encyclopedia, but unfortunately Greg had some health issues and it never saw print. He was duly impressed with my efforts, which also corrected things like the details of Norm Palmer's accident. I wound up passing it along to Racing Reference.

I remember seeing Norm run the dayglo '70 Roadrunner at Ascot in a 1972 GNW race. Along with John Soares Jr.'s car, one of the best sounding cars. Soares' sound was down to something he did to his headers.

[JThur1]

Interesting thing I just noticed about that Earnhardt pic is the the catch fence. It looks alot like the modern day fences that curve over the track. This was unheard of 30+ years ago. I would have assumed every track back then was using the same old fencing that was perpendicular to good old Mother Earth. Ontario was ahead of its time in many ways. too bad it was built in the wrong decade and wrong zip code

Nah, it wasn't the wrong zip code or wrong decade. It was financially mismanaged into the ground. Even the last operators, who did far better, couldn't bail OMS out after the mistakes made by the original operators.

Take what you read about Ontario and Riverside with a grain of salt as it's often wrong. Like for example, see how "few" people there are in those 60's and 70's shots from Riverside? To read some ignorant statements of late (usually targeting Fontana), one would think there were never any crowds, no interest, etc.

The low attendance at the final Cup race at Ontario is oft cited as an example, but its done by folks who might have other stereotypes...like about perfect weather. There were gale force winds that weekend which postponed the preliminary Grand American race until the morning of the Cup race. And, that is one area you do NOT want to be in when the Santa Ana winds are in full force.

[ensign14]

The book includes a great story about Linda Vaughn at her height. I remember the story from when it originally ran in the magazine.

Strangely enough, when Linda Vaughn comes to mind, her height is not at the forefront.

[atrackforumfan]

I figured I'd hang a curve ball over the plate.

[indybigjohn]

"Interesting thing I just noticed about that Earnhardt pic is the the catch fence. It looks alot like the modern day fences that curve over the track. This was unheard of 30+ years ago."

The Fairgrounds Motor Speedway in Louisville was built with that type fence in 1961.

[Beentherebefore]

When I saw the info on Norm Palmer in the Stock Car Racing Encyclopedia, I wondered about it. Then I discovered it happened not too far from where I live. When I found out exactly where the accident happened, I knew it was wrong. So, I checked microfilm of the local newspaper and found an account of the mishap. A ravine past a 'T' intersection with the highway is accurate, "cliff" is not.

I compiled and sent a huge amount of info (dates of birth, death, hometowns, corrected spellings, etc.) to Greg Fielden for inclusion in a revision of the Encyclopedia, but unfortunately Greg had some health issues and it never saw print. He was duly impressed with my efforts, which also corrected things like the details of Norm Palmer's accident. I wound up passing it along to Racing Reference.

I remember seeing Norm run the dayglo '70 Roadrunner at Ascot in a 1972 GNW race. Along with John Soares Jr.'s car, one of the best sounding cars. Soares' sound was down to something he did to his headers.

Can you give me a link to the site where you posted the correct information on Norm Palmer's demise? Thanks.

I don't remember the sound of John Soares' car but I do remember that it was one of the nicest looking cars running in Winston West in the early 70s. Regretfully, I didn't get any photos of it when I dragged my camera to the track. There are some nice photos of it in Jack McCoy's book.

[JThur1]

Can you give me a link to the site where you posted the correct information on Norm Palmer's demise? Thanks.

I don't remember the sound of John Soares' car but I do remember that it was one of the nicest looking cars running in Winston West in the early 70s. Regretfully, I didn't get any photos of it when I dragged my camera to the track. There are some nice photos of it in Jack McCoy's book.

BTB, it's not much more than what ensign14 posted. For the actual newspaper account, which again, doesn't add more than what I originally posted, it's in the Antelope Valley Press, July 4 or 5, 1986 (have to find my notes from years ago for exact date):

http://www.racing-reference.info/com...rvid=palmeno01

Yes, Soares' white car was nice looking. His melon colored Charger with blue violet number was even nicer looking and that's the one that sounded great, at least at Ascot.