what every the schedule is in 2013 Indycar need to concentrate having races in February, June, July, August. The normal one week off then race and take another week off hurts alot I think.
what every the schedule is in 2013 Indycar need to concentrate having races in February, June, July, August. The normal one week off then race and take another week off hurts alot I think.
It's a really cool looking oval with facilities that look more proper than other mexican ovals.Originally Posted by Mr. Bean
A race at Aguascalientes and here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q25YKJVqEI0 would be AMAZING
Please say you're joking! That's not an oval, it's a modified road course waiting for someone to break their neck on. No thank you. There's freaking dirt on the outside of the track!
Wanker!
It only turns left. That's an oval. Also considering that it's practically flat, speeds should be greatly reduced compared to ovals with banking. If I could have a modified road course oval where the two turns are actual road course hairpins I would gladly take that venue. This track sorta reminds me a bit like the old Rio oval
Yes and Mark Blundell was lucky to be alive after crashing head on at that dump. You cannot run an oval without SAFER walls, it's just not possible anymore.
I understand that safer barriers are an absolute necessity on banked ovals (I would never recommend IndyCar to go to Rockingham or Lausitzring without safer barriers)... but let me ask you a hypothetical.
With that road course converted to oval track you see there (I forgot the name), say that you exit the final corner and go on the straight. The lack of banking in the turn would mean that you would exit at a much slower rate and would have a much lower average speed compared to a banked oval. Lets say your brakes fail and you crash into the wall at T1. How is that any different from your brakes failing and you going straight into the Macau barrier at Lisboa after the Mandarin kink?
Also this oval is a lot smaller (based on footage ofc) than the Rio oval, so I assume the speeds here are going to be much much slower compared to Rio. Crashing on the straights with this track is not really different than crashing from a really long straight on a road course... as you put it "it's a road course converted to an oval". I don't see how that suddenly makes it more dangerous just because there's now 2-3 turns that all face the left direction
That's because that's not Aguascalientes. That's the oval at Mexico City.
This is Aguascalientes
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I dropped Australia for 2013. Any race in Australia is unlikely until after 2013. Although, I do find Roger Penske's recent comments about racing outside of North America very timely, one would wonder if he was speaking of Australia?
As much as I would love to see a Phoenix race, it is still a very long shot. Cavin spoke tonight on Trackside, that the Phoenix track president is requiring a full feasibility test to determine whether an INDYCAR race would be viable. He is not going to want anything to distract from his two Cup races. He doesn't want what happened at Chicago, to happen to him.
I moved Pocono to July. July is likely the only month INDYCAR could race there unless the August Cup date is dropped, or the Fontana INDYCAR date is moved.
I also dropped Chicago. Any possible Chicago street race is not likely in 2013.
Per the latest Randy Bernard comments, here are the possible additions for the 2013 schedule:
2013 Schedule
Feb Fort Lauderdale
Feb Off
Mar Mexico City, Mexico
Mar Off
Mar Off
Mar St Petersburg
Mar Easter
Apr Phoenix
Apr Birmingham
Apr Long Beach
Apr Off
May Sao Paulo, Brazil
May Off
May Indianapolis Pole Day
May Indianapolis 500
Jun Detroit, Belle Isle
Jun Texas
Jun Milwaukee
Jun Iowa
Jun Off
Jul Toronto
Jul Pocono or Watkins Glen
Jul Edmonton
Jul Off (Brickyard)
Aug Mid-Ohio
Aug Off
Aug Qingdao, China
Aug Sonoma
Sept Baltimore
Sept Off
Sept Fontana
Sept Off
Sept Houston
Oct Off
Oct Las Vegas (Street Course)
Last edited by Indymarlin; 03-27-2012 at 11:15 PM.
There is a zero point zero percent chance INDYCAR races on an oval (any oval) without a SAFER barrier again. Those days are gone (and for good reason).
Interesting. One might have thought that with Roger having 2 Australians driving for him he'd be more supportive of a chance for them to race in front of their home fans. Though given that the average Australian probably has no idea who Will Power and Ryan Briscoe are, and the entire potential audience in Australia that one could hope to get interesting in IC is ~22 million, I can understand that it might not be entirely in everyone's best interests. Still, put on an event and the Aussies will go. Especially in Melbourne, where they'd go to watch flies crawling up a wall. Sydney is a little different - I'd have serious doubts about attracting a crowd if the event was held in Sydney.
Can we have Pocono AND Watkins Glen, instead of one or the other? What about an Elkhart Lake doubleheader with ALMS?
Okay, yes, I've seen Autódromo Internacional de Aguascalientes before. It's kind of like Iowa but with more banking and concrete. There's also no SAFER walls from what I remember seeing pictures. The capacity is also only 25K. They'd need double that probably to cover the sanction fee for driving down there.
Justhalc, I wouldn't expect Pocono and Watkins Glen. I wouldn't expect The Glen at all, it's a great place but the race drew too poorly to cover the costs, and it's also difficult to find it a date.
Marlin, I would have thought Phoenix was a longshot, but Bernard is persistent. Also, Cavin regurgitated old quotes about the feasibility test. And frankly, that's not difficult to do.
loling @ people comparing Mexico and Sao Paulo
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Any INDYCAR race in Australia is going to have to be a very good deal. To Penske's point, the sponsors don't really care about Australia, so teams are going to need to make money on the race.
The same goes for any track that has two Cup dates. Anyone here remember the change of attitude Eddie Gossage had when he landed his second Cup date. The monopoly NASCAR has is the problem with the ovals. And if Roger wants more American races, perhaps he should have thought twice about selling Fontana and Michigan. I am not saying he was wrong by the way. It is his money.
IndyCar needs to zero in on ovals that have one or no Cup dates. Do WDW in January. Screw the 'too early' BS. It's a time when people are hungry for motorsport. A higher TV rating, good oval race,d and full grand stand would be better than trying to avoid a schedule gap IMO.
If the oval in Mexico could be made to work, do it. Go back to Pikes Peak. I am sure we could come up with a list that falls into the catigory I stated above.
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Yes, but Randy has been persistent with Milwaukee too, and it hasn't necessarily produced a profitable event. The President of Phoenix can't take that chance. The decision on Phoenix lies with the President of Phoenix, and not Randy Bernard. Too many remember that last race at Phoenix, nobody showed up. Don't get me wrong, Phoenix and Watkins Glen are my personal two favorite tracks to be added back to the schedule, but I just don't know how on board the president of Phoenix is for INDYCARS.
INDYCAR is likely only going to increase the schedule to 20 races at most, and that is probably a very optimistic likelihood. A more likely scenario is an 18 race schedule. Most hoped the schedule would increase for 2012, and we saw a decrease.
We are expecting a Houston announcement soon, and the other most likely possibilities are Fort Lauderdale, Phoenix and Pocono. Milwaukee is still a big question. If Michael Andretti can't make Milwaukee work, then it is probably gone for good. The only way I see Elkhart Lake is if Milwaukee does not return. The only way Watkins Glen is added for 2013 is if Pocono is not added to the schedule, and Randy is looking for ovals.
I think Road America is happening, sometime in August, with ALMS. Doesn't really affect Milwaukee one way or the other, because they're all the same fans at both places. Walt Disney is not happening, no way. No SAFER walls, no grandstands, no garages.
Yep, small market. I'd love to have a race in Australia again, but I can see how it wouldn't necessarily be a good deal for sponsors, teams and the American viewing public. That said, if they can attract 300,000 people (or whatever it was) to a race on the Gold Coast, then that's gotta generate some money that the promoters can use to ease the burden on the teams, at least. And it's not such a bad advertisement for tourism to Australia, either.
By the way, don't forget that Kansas Speedway, for some dumb reason, is being repaved later this year with progressive banking of 18-20 degrees, up from 15. Same as Las Vegas. So I honestly can't see how they return there?
**** NASCAR.........they find a way to ruin everything. Anyone who thinks it is real racing is an idiot.
1st it was racing in general (competition cautions)
then it was woodchucks (Digger)
and now it's Kansas Speedway
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Last night on Trackside, Curt Cavin said, the date Kansas wanted was already taken, Texas. June is likely the only time Kansas would work, and it is already full. Also, I don't see them even considering another 1 1/2 mile track until after they see this new car at Texas. I wouldn't be surprised if Texas is dropped after this year. There has been no comments from INDYCAR about any 1 1/2 mile tracks since Las Vegas. The focus appears to be more on either small ovals or Superspeedways (Pocono).
Road America won't be happening as long as China is in August.
Holden might be happy........ and perhaps you (a manufacturer, really) could convince a couple other sponsors that it might be beneficial to be on a car.
We're gonna go extinct, and we're gonna do it drinking scotch and driving muscle cars.
Will if Sonoma gets moved to the spring.
What is so stupid is there was nothing wrong with Kansas even with Cup cars. It is usually a good race.
INDYCAR: 2013 Schedule Set To Expand
Randy Bernard would like to have 19-20 races on the 2013 IZOD INDYCAR calendar and, judging by the interest, it should be an easy number to reach.With a return to Houston in 2013 ready to be confirmed on Wednesday, representatives from Austin, Palm Springs, Pocono, Fort Lauderdale, Richmond, Phoenix, Portland and Elkhart Lake have either met with INDYCAR’s CEO or made it known they’d like to discuss the future.
Moving Sonoma to the Spring is always a possibility, but Sonoma seems to really like their current date. They continue to gradually build that race on that date. I can't see them moving the date.
Palm Springs was discussed a couple years ago. INDYCAR is going to need more places to race in the Spring and Fall.
PALM SPRINGS: A new road course is being built that may or may not be finished in time for 2013. "I’ve seen their plans and it’s going to be a first class track and would be a great compliment to IndyCar,’’ said Bernard.
Which track is at Palm Springs?
EDIT: Nevermind
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