"Try some of these before or after your statements if you are not presenting them as facts. Things like - "In my opinion", or "I think that", JHMO, IMHO, IMO, JMO... Your opinions are not (necessarily) fact. That would clear things up some." - Seadog 03/25/2010 11:40am So the above is JMO.
Dario I present you with the Astor Challenge Cup for being the IZOD IndyCar Series Champion. Sounds legit to me.
Do you guys know what the definition for facetious is? Get your undies out of that bunch!!! Like I am honestly going to sit there and have that conversation with somebody. Get real!
What's the point Gonzo? Have extra time to type and yer bored?
My wife couldn't tell you what any of the trophies are for, what their names are, etc....but she goes to NFL games and IndyCar races. Are seriously trying to tell us that you have introduced friends to the Indy500 by leading with the Borg-Trophy? Or that you like NFL games because of the Lombardi?
No one but us gives a **** about the trophy! No one knows who Lord Stanley is....or why Wimbledon gets served on a silver platter! This is complaining to complain! Most casual fans don't know who Vince Lombardi is ( and I'm a diehard packer fan!). No one knows who the vanderbilts were, or that they ran a race at all....or that in a lame attempt to claim American racing history that cart cloned the trophy adding to the confusion of two Vanderbilt cups!
Shouldn't you be worrying more about why Helio, Briscoe and Dixie are to blame for Dario winning the title over Will than new fans throwing up their arms in confusion over a trophy?
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I wonder if the series suits considered a 'nude man in a tire swing' trophy.
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Do I like it as a trophy or think it is better than the whacky wheeler. Hell yes, it's a beautiful looking trophy, miles ahead of the whacky wheeler or the old Cup, and for that matter I also think it looks a lot nicer then the Vanderbilt.
I'm sick of people looking for reasons that something sucks. Guess what? If you dissect ANYTHING finely enough, you'll find out it sucks. Oi vey!
You want to make this trophy as desirable as the Borg-Warner? Give the champion a $10 million bonus, and then run the series for twenty years at a high and successful level. As Dan Wheldon said, there was a point in time when the Indy 500 was a really cool new race idea in a sport with a number of really cool new race ideas. A century of running is what made it so special. Just like drivers in Europe grow up dreaming of standing over the French throng or next to the Price. They don't do it because the trophy in either case is exceptional!
It's at the point where the rest of the series really doesn't matter. All that matters is the Indy 500. The fans not in the stands support that notion, the fans not watching on TV support that notion, the coverage that the series doesn't get supports that notion. The only event that gets any interest whatsoever is the Indy 500.
That isn't the case in NASCAR. The series championship is as important as winning the Harley Earl trophy. Is it as prestigious, probably not but it is as important. The ratings support that, the audience supports that, the drivers support that the coverage supports that.
It was what was at the core of the creation of CART. That no one event should be more important then the collective events that make up the series.
The right trophy has the ability to help place a greater importance on the series as a whole. This new trophy while beautiful doesn't do that. It's just a shiny piece of metal. Show me anyplace where Randy came out and said you know what, this series is the most important thing and we now have something to properly represent that.
So like I asked, does this fix a problem, make a problem worse, or do nothing to improve things?
So be sick of things all you want. I'm sick of seeing the series I love languishing and killing itself off slowly!
You seem to think that more could have been done with the trophy to increase the prestige of the championship, and that the Astor Cup was an insufficient solution to the problem of the prior trophy's "uniqueness." Fine. I disagree. I like the Astor Cup. But maybe ten years from now we'll all look back and realize that you were right, and that the hole in the boat mattered way less than the paint job did.
I had a cup when I played football. Though, I never gave it a name.
Don't argue with idiots, it only makes you look stupid and infuriates the idiots.
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This thread has it all...a point & a counter-point, agreement & disagreement, suggestion & criticism, members agreeing & liking one another, members disagreeing & liking one another, members disagreeing & disliking one another, personal jabs, sarcasm, humor and a revelation on which forums some will & will not go to. Where's the 'sitting back watching while eating pop-corn' emoticon at?!
To the topic, I can understand the importance of an attractive and well-named trophy. I don't really think it can or will have any impact on attracting or discouraging fans to the series...but that's just my opinion.
My first Indy 500 was 1973, haven't missed one since 1981. To date I have attended 35 Indy 500's, and probably 100 or so other IndyCar races (CART & IRL).
I just read through this thread and I regret that I won't get the past 4 minutes back. I should have known better.