I'm not mocking anybody. Show me where I mocked someone.Originally Posted by JohnMc
I'm not mocking anybody. Show me where I mocked someone.
"Try some of these before or after your statements if you are not presenting them as facts. Things like - "In my opinion", or "I think that", JHMO, IMHO, IMO, JMO... Your opinions are not (necessarily) fact. That would clear things up some." - Seadog 03/25/2010 11:40am So the above is JMO.
I'm trying to reconcile that with this, which, when I read it, clearly seems to be suggesting exactly that: a celebration of death-
The passage above also seems to be explicitly scoffing at mourning.
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Right here, for one:
A lot of people have admitted to shedding tears. I've seen them on the faces of fellow drivers and business associates, not to mention family and friends. But you say that's less than honorable??
I don't know, what, you think they're faking the tears? You again seem to be contradicting yourself, as well as defying simple compassion.
Every time you use that "just sit there" phrase, it always conveys to me your disdain - you say "you mean you're just gonna sit there and tell me blah blah blah" when you are implying you don't believe someone.
Then you deny it. Confusing, at the least.
No, there is a huge difference between sports and war and only a giddy fool would not recognize that.
By the way, Webster's reference for "Combat" doesn't come close to alluding to sport. Your reading skills or your ability to comprehend the written word is seriously deficient.
I'm a giddy fool and deficient???? Your personal insults are weak! Who is being giddy????? Show me an instance where I have been giddy otherwise, hey doitagain, can I say STFU in gonzoville?
Webster defines combat as this: : 1. a fight or contest between individuals or groups
Was Monday nights game between Baltimore and Jacksonville not a contest between individuals or groups?
But you are right, I'm the one with the inability to comprehend the written word.
I'm not saying that when we cry it is dishonorable to the person crying, I'm saying that when we cry it is a dishonor to the person that died.
So to be clear, you'r argument is that sports and war are the same? Does that mean we can take pot-shots at you the next time you go to a race, and it's OK?
How from all of that do you get that I think war and sport are the same thing? Serioulsy Hurley, I thought you were one of the smart ones around here. Apparently not unless you are just being antagonistic! I've said in war you combat and in sport you combat. Is boxing not combat? Yes! Is boxing the same as war? No! Come on Hurley, give me a freaking break here....your disdain for me is making you look ridiculous.
I'm not the one here that looks ridiculous. You're doing that all on your own.
Usually, when someone begins with "So, let me get this straight.... " or some such derivitave, you can rest assured that they are just trying to jerk your chain and have zero intention of trying to understand the original thought.
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Oh cute, thanks.
....I know you are but what am I?
Give me a break. Beat it Hurley.
Seems to be commonplace around here.
So you can antagonistically mock people, but you can't take anyone finding that annoying?
You know, when lots of people think you're a jerk, sometimes the problem isn't with the lots of people ...
Hurley, your only comment after four pages in this thread were you asking me if I thought war and sport were the same. But its you that accuses me of being an antagonistic jerk. Were you genuinely asking for clarity? I highly doubt it. So what does that make you?
Monday night's game was a GAME, not combat nor was it a war where the quarterback or linebacker displayed any kind of valor. Games are won with ability and desire. Not courage or valor.
Indeed.
Was Monday nights game between Baltimore and Jacksonville not a contest between individuals or groups?
And wow.....no courage in sport? Interesting.
A contest, but it was NOT combat or war. It was a GAME.
That is right. Skill, desire, ability and NOT courage. However, I am game if you are, so why don't you give us a personal example of you having courage in a football game.
Don't equate desire to win a contest with the courage and valor of someone like the medal of honor recipient, Robert James Miller as well Sgt First Class Paul R. Smith who died while keeping the enemy at bay allowing for the wounded to be carried out. They don't play games and that is not sport. That is courage and valor. You can find heart in sports but, again, don't equate that with courage because you heard a coach use it and you thought it sounded neat.
Last edited by JohnMc; 10-26-2011 at 04:51 PM.
I'm pretty sure that use of more than three ?'s in a row is a standard indicator of "giddy".
Really? I use multiple question mark's to signify confusion. Same reason why there are multiple question marks over this guys head...He doesn't look giddy to me. If multiple question marks is a universal forum sign of giddiness then I guess I will have to change that but first time in over ten years I have come across that usage.
I should just learn to use emoticons more often, I could probably avoid a bunch of grief!
Then you don't know the definition of combat!
I'm out. This conversation with you is leading no place.
If I might interject...
I really admired--I still do, in fact--Dr George Sheehan. His books on sports philosophy, particularly Running and Being, emphasized the concept of Sport as Play (caps intended.) I found the thought very illuminating and still do all these years later.
Maybe, that's why we say that a football (or baseball, or basketball, etc.) game is played. It might be visually, metaphorically perhaps, compared to combat...but at its core, it's still play.
So, if sport is play, maybe that's why we take such joy at it, either watching it done or actually doing it ourselves. It is one moment we transcend the ordinary life and reach beyond.
It's the same feeling I used to get at about 11 miles during a half-marathon. Or at 22 miles during the one marathon I managed to finish.
The same feeling I would get when I would twist the grip just a little more wide open, with more horsepower than sense, jam my foot to the throttlestop, hoping I would make it through the next turn without tossing myself into the haybales again.
The same feeling I got years ago when I would dig into a new cave passage no one had ever seen before and produce a map of it. And the same feeling I got the other day when my son and reached the crest of the Angel Falls overlook at Big South Fork. Exhaustion, and elation, and...something else. Something beyond.
And sometimes, when you reach beyond...you don't come back.
I will miss Dan Wheldon. I will miss his smile, his wry sense of humor, the thrill of watching him charge through a pack. I cried for days afterward, as I'm sure a lot of people here did. But it won't keep me from watching racing, or being involved to whatever extent I am in the future. It's one of the ways I play, after all.
Don't stop playing.
I hope I communicated something here besides my own inate lunacy. Read Sheehan, maybe it'll make sense.
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Thank you Jamski. That is it exactly. It is play.If I might interject...
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I hope I communicated something here besides my own inate lunacy. Read Sheehan, maybe it'll make sense.
Your inate lunacy is what we like best about you. Good post.I hope I communicated something here besides my own inate lunacy. Read Sheehan, maybe it'll make sense.
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