Two wins certainly isn't out of the question, considering that the Colts were very close to winning at least four of their lost games already. They get to play Jacksonville twice, Tennessee twice (who have looked pretty bad since they lost Britt), and Carolina.Originally Posted by Indy'sGhosts
Cancer sucks.
I don't mind how much the Colts pay Manning. They sent a message that he is truly the most valuable player of the modern era, because believe it or not there are people who still doubt that obvious truth even after this year's developments.
I don't question Mannings value to the offense, but the Colt defense is so bad I,m not sure his presence would provide different outcomes.
All rides are bought. But occasionally the currency is talent.
In any of the five close games, I believe it certainly could have. In at least four of those games, the Colts were maybe one or two plays away from victory.
You have to admit that it really shouldn't come down to a single player to win a game. The rest of the team must hold its own end of the deal.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be misquoted and used against you.
Of course. Not an admission, but an undeniable truth. I was simply responding to ventman's point.
And I haven't watched the Colt's other games, so you very well could be correct. It's just that I was prepared to see a less than Manning offense, but but didn't realize Indy had no defense.
Certainly Peyton has proven that he's the most valuable player in the NFL this season... proven through omission.
"Ride The Barrel & Get Pitted... So Pitted."
Got it.
It was an away game, the Colts couldn't afford to send everybody, so they grabbed a few guys of the corners outside the stadium and let them fill-in. Saved a bundle.
Kerry Collins placed on the IR.
$4M FLUSHED down the crapper!
The signing sounded good on paper. Obviously the Colts (and I) thought he'd do better, but there was no way to foresee an injury.
The Colts will need a third QB (technically fourth, considering Manning is still on the roster).
The obvious truth that if you have **** poor quarterbacks, you are going to have some loses. The Colts have possibly the worst backups in the league. Certainly Collins qualifies.
Pretty sure Kyle Boller will disagree.
"Any time that I can be out at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, you're going to see a smile on my face." - Dan Wheldon
"It's crazy how the Indianapolis Motor Speedway can make you so emotional. I went from the highest of highs to the lowest of lows in less than 24 hours." - Alex Tagliani
Granted - I'm a PU grad and fan - and a big fan of PU QB's.
That said... I had hesitations about the KC signing because it's an offense built on timing, and a lightning quick release.
I wasn't sure that KC could get the timing down in short order (or at least better than Painter), or could release the ball as quickly as he needed to in order to avoid hits in the pocket.
Not sure where they go from here though, that's a huge salary hit.
I'm not so sure about that one. A QB that was sitting at home in retirement mode, and then thrust back into playing ball sems like a perfect candiate for something going wrong. Sports are geared for the young. 23 and out of school, your gumby, 35 and up you seem more like stickman. One could probably make a case for something similar will happen with PM, esp, if he sits out for another year. No good deed goes unpunished...esp getting old.
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From what I read, it wasn't typical "retirement mode." When he retired, Collins told his agent that there were certain teams that he would entertain offers from. I doubt he was just sitting around by the pool and playing golf.
But he certainly looked old when he was playing.
I think Peyton's smart enough that if he has to sit out another year he'll call it a career, become a network analyst, and spend the rest of his life rich and beloved by a great many people. Or maybe stay with the Colts organization to make sure his successor learns his skills. Either way, no one sane would begrudge him.
BP delivers the Vote Of Confidence on JC:
Bill Polian on Jim Caldwell: “I think he’s done a terrific job”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-terrific-job/
The puppeteer isn't going to slam his puppet...because if he did he would essentially been slamming himself.
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Nope. And he can say/do only one of two things at this point... either say "he's doing a fine job", or, "you're fired".
Ouch what?
"Ouch" that we are even in this position - having people pining for Luck - and sitting 0-fer-8 while looking worse than our record.
Okay.
The season sucks, but I just didn't see how a couple guys wearing Luck jerseys made it any more sucky.
The performance - or overall lack of - against the Titans made it more sucky.
And Phillip B chimes in...
LINK
Speculation has swirled about the Colts (0-8) ending up with the No. 1 overall draft pick and possibly selecting Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck. Some analysts say Manning could be traded or released.
Early next year, Manning’s contract includes a team option for $28 million. If the Colts don’t pay it, he becomes a free agent. Manning said he wanted that terminology in the deal because he knew he wasn’t healthy when he signed the five-year contract worth $90 million.
Asked if would be willing to mentor Luck, Manning said, "That’s a lot of speculation and I don’t think that’s fair to the players that are playing, to speculate on what draft choice the Colts will have. We might win eight in a row starting Sunday and I certainly hope that we do.
"It’s hard for me to speculate on things like that when I’m not playing and Jeff Saturday and Reggie Wayne, these guys are out there fighting for their lives, trying to win every game. We’ve never talked about what draft pick we were going to have before during the past 13 years, so I don’t think it’s fair to do (that) now."
I watched the full five-minute raw interview with PM on WTHR today. He sounds like a guy who wants to play and expects to practice with the Colts this year.
I've been following the recent news on #18's comments today and I must say I am more skeptical of him playing again (as least for the Colts) as well. Of course I hope he does, but if no news is to be reported at the first of next month then that can't be a good thing.
http://blogs.indystar.com/philb/2011...makes-it-back/
Peyton Manning would tell everyone not to read too much into what he said today in front of his locker, but that’s the media’s job.
I’m convinced now more than ever the Colts’ franchise QB isn’t coming back to play this season. And I seriously doubt he practices in December, too.
I’ve also officially leaning beyond 50-50 on him ever playing in Indy again, if anywhere. Let’s say I’m 40-60 against it being possible. Maybe even 30-70. And if Manning doesn’t talk to us on Dec. 1 and say he’s throwing and getting it all back, if he says there’s still problems with the nerve regenerating and he has fatigue in his arm from a third neck surgery in 19 months, the number plummets to about zilch.
While the four-time NFL MVP said a lot today, when the head cleared and transcribing was complete (colleague Mike Chappell and I cranked that out), the first thing that came to mind was how Manning said he’s still dealing with the same nerve issues as before the surgery, that the neck fusion wasn’t expected to take for two to three months, and it’s been two months. So right now is the most telling time in getting a handle on all of this.
Also most interesting, and this has been discussed before, is how Manning advised everyone it was his idea to have the $28 million team option in his latest contract. The Colts have to pay him $28 million either in late February or early March (still haven’t pinned down that date), or Manning becomes a free agent.
“The contract, I was the one that helped construct it in the manner that it is,” he said of the five-year, $90 million deal. “It’s a one-year deal with a four-year extension, if you will. It was my recommendation, that I wasn’t healthy when I signed the contract and if I’m not healthy in February I think it’s fair for the Colts to be able to make their decision there.”
Manning wouldn’t have suggested this unless he had accepted at the least the possibility that he might never be able to play again. There was that chance. As much as other “voices” will try to assure fans the franchise savior will be back, like you shouldn’t worry about it, just accept it and think positively, that’s blind faith or optimism. And considering how much of it came from Colts vice chairman Bill Polian, that made me even more skeptical.
Manning said today there still isn’t a timetable for his return. He said nobody knows. Nobody.
He’s due for another check-up Dec. 1. He works with the trainer on a regular basis. He won’t go into what he can do, as much as we begged him to tell us, but he’s too smart. He knew if he said, “I’m walking fast and lifting a few weights or this and that,” we would jump to conclusions. Well, we do anyway. From what I heard today, he’s still unable to throw with zip on the ball. I don’t know if he’s even been cleared to throw. He said he’s still dealing with the same problems as before the surgery.
Yes, there’s still time for him to heal. It’s quite possible this next month will be the key time period in his recovery. I know a lot of fans hope so. Heck, most of us in the media do, too. We write about ‘em win or lose and 0-8 isn’t exactly enjoyable on a week-to-week basis, but I’ve been known to root for stories. For all this guy has done in a Hall of Fame career, Manning doesn’t deserve his last game to be that New York Jets playoff loss. There he is on the sideline, throwing up his hands in dismay (as most of us did) when coach Jim Caldwell repeated history with a stupid timeout call late.
Anyway, back to the present … well, back to the future. The clock sure seems to be ticking on a legend’s time in Indy. If he can’t get it back by the end of February, the Colts will have no choice but to let Peyton Manning go. A lot of people won’t understand that. But $28 million is a lot of money to pay for a miracle, call it an expensive prayer that the guy’s neck could heal later on, when it already hasn’t after surgeries and months of rehab.
Brace yourself for that reality, Colts fans. Hopefully Manning says something in a month that gives you hope. If not, you know what’s going to happen next.
Damn. There are some bombs in that one, Phil B.
Personally, I think the only way #18 is a Colt next season is if he plays this season and gives the Colts organization some type of barometer of his health, level of play, etc. Manning is due $28 million next year and what if he doesn't play at all this year and February/March 2012 roll around when roster decisions have to made, then what? Do the Colts again take a chance at the unknown and dedicate $28 million to a player who hasn't played in over year and half by the start of the 2012. It will be a very interesting next two months or so as it may decide the long-term future of the Colts organization.
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