I guarantee you that they aren't going to just brush off giving up 21 points in a quarter to an 0-11 team, no matter how many points they were up. Think of it this way: Yeah, they were up 28 points when they gave up the first TD, but they were up by only 14 when the Colts marched down the field against them the final time.Originally Posted by jkg
Cancer sucks.
-SIGH-
You have to admit, Ren, that if Orlovsky had thrown a game-winning touchdown in the final minute of that one, it would have been hilarious.
It surely would have been in my top-three favorite football games of all time.
I was watching with the sound off (can't stand the announcers during Pats games), and paying attention to other games on Sunday Ticket. I didn't know until just now that Angerer left in the second quarter, which is about the time that the Pats started moving the ball. Angerer has been a brilliant bright spot in an otherwise dark season. I hope he's a Colt for a long, long time.
The "poorfect" season still intact.
The match-up was originally supposed to be the evening game - and the Saints vs Lions was a better game?
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Witnessed Mario's "Miracle at Indy"...Watched 3 win their 4th Indy 500...Was there for Petty's 200th win...Saw the last Novi qualify
So maybe I wasn't totally crazy with my prediction that we'd lose this one?
Yeah, you kinda were.
I bet there were some Pats fans sweating before that final onside kick attempt...
Has somebody already copyrighted "Poorfect"?
I can see the t-shirts now... "I Survived the Poorfect Season" or my favorite... "Poorfect Luck"
"Ride The Barrel & Get Pitted... So Pitted."
Colts cornerback Jerraud Powers out for rest of season after dislocating his elbow
http://www.indystar.com/article/2011.../1058/SPORTS03
And another one gone...
Polian says Colts trouble worst he can remember...he's never witnessed anything like this;
Polian says Colts' trouble is worst he can remember
INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) - The Colts have lost two more key players on defense. Cornerbacks Jerraud Powers and Terrance Johnson are both done for the season after getting injured in New England on Sunday.
It has been a horrible season for the Colts, thanks to all the injuries and their 0-12 record. Monday night while taping The Bill Polian Show, the Colts vice chairman told WISH-TV Sports Director Anthony Calhoun he has never witnessed anything like this.
"I can't remember in a time in my career where we've had so many issues - the perfect storm, if you will.” said Polian. “Peyton gets hurt, we lose six starters on defense, we essentially have six starters out on offense for the better part of about six or seven weeks. It's hard to play at a consistent level when those things happened, but they do and you can't cry about it. ... Nothing is going to change it."
He has hope for the future, though.
“We know that most of the players who are out will be back next year, so we will be a much stronger team, and we're developing some young players in the process, which is good. But it makes it really tough on the coaches. They don't know who is going to be playing from week to week," Polian said.
http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/sports/col...e-can-remember
My first Indy 500 was 1973, haven't missed one since 1981. To date I have attended 35 Indy 500's, and probably 100 or so other IndyCar races (CART & IRL).
Everything he said there makes sense to me. I'm sure somebody will find fault with it though. I don't think he's infallible by any stretch, but I think Polian gets a lot more crap than he deserves. I know his personality doesn't help his cause though.
Yeah, like most of the players will be back. Not Manning though. I doubt he throws another pass in the NFL.
Asked how he’d like to be remembered were he hit by a bus tomorrow, Tracy doesn’t hesitate: “I’m a race-car driver. At the last second, I’d swerve and avoid the bus.”
If so, then we get treated to one of the best sport commentators ever. No-lose.
There's really not much to base that doubt on.
It sounds like a 50/50 chance at worst.
co-sign
I'll step up to the plate on this one. Who are the 6 starters that were lost on defense? Gary Brackett was addition by subtraction. Pat Angerer is far better at the ML position and has been one of the few very bright spots this season. Bullitt was on IR most of last year, so that's nothing new. Eric Foster hurt, but it's not like the defense wasn't terrible before he went down. We were 0-11 before Jarraud Powers went down. Who else is he talking about? Session and Hayden? Whose fault is it that they aren't here? Last I checked we started the season under the salary cap and those guys are having a pretty good year. $4 million went to Kerry Collins that could've went to one of those guys. Who is in charge of personnel decisions?
The fact that the defense is terrible is nothing new. In the 13 years that Bill Polian has been with this team there has been exactly one half-season when the defense didn't suck. It sucked under Jim Mora so Polian fired him. He brought in defensive guru Tony Dungy whose only task was to make the defense competitive. But for one half-season it still sucked for the next 8 years, despite a lot of high draft picks being used to bring in Dungy-style defensive players, something that was never done for Mora.I don't think he's infallible by any stretch, but I think Polian gets a lot more crap than he deserves.
So who, exactly, should be getting crap if not Bill Polian? Who has been in charge and responsible for these decisions? He's actually gotten far more of a free ride than he ever should have. Because the team was winning a lot during the regular season (thank you Peyton), Bill has gotten absolutely no heat until now. He has basically been considered infallible and beyond reproach.
That is for sure. He's condescending and insults anyone who doesn't see things his way. He seems to have rubbed Peyton the wrong way, too. I don't know how else to describe what he said the other day other than basically calling Bill a liar and throwing him under the bus.I know his personality doesn't help his cause though.
All of that said, if he would just show some humility and admit to having made some mistakes, I have plenty of confidence that he could rebuild this franchise. Instead he choses to use the injury excuse and continue on as if he is infallible.
The Polian approach of leveraging everything off of Payton, paying big $ to receivers and two defensive ends, and having successful drafts worked very well for over a decade. Payton going down obviously caused the plan to crash into the mountain but an equally contributing factor was how poorly the Colts have done in the draft the past several years, especially on defense.
Bill Polian I think does get a pass because this system worked very well for the most part. If the Colts were able to win a few more playoff games and another few Super Bowls he would be considered the greatest GM of all time (considering his success in Buffalo and Carolina as well).
However, the issue is really with Bill's handpicked successor, his son. From various reports Chris has alienated many people in the organization, leading to the departure of some very key coaches (Mudd, Moore) and scouts. This has hurt the Colts just as much as losing Manning.
IMHO it's obvious Bill Polian is near the end of his tenure. I don't believe Chris Polian deserves the job just becuase he is Bill's son. If I were Irsay I would clean house and start completely fresh with a new GM, make sure he drafts Andrew Luck, and beg Tom Moore to come back to work his magic with Andrew Luck. I would then pay big $ to hire Bill Cowher to inject some much needed passion and toughness into the organization.
"You make one **** of a caucasian Jackie." The Dude Lebowski
I assume he's talking about injuries, and your assessment of their relative skills is completely subjective. I count on the IR: Brackett, Bullitt, Foster, Nevis, and Powers. Perhaps Angerer was the sixth because he missed almost the entire Pats game. Even if that's not a Pro Bowl lineup, those are all starters who had to be replaced.
First, I didn't say he shouldn't get crap; I said he gets more than he deserves. Second, I agree that he probably also got too much credit when things were going well.
And most of the heavy criticism started with the 15th game after starting 14-0. The Colts were still winning, and he got FAR more crap than deserved starting around that time.
The stats are pretty clear when it comes to Pat vs Gary. Pat has lead the league in tackles most of the season and is currently tied for second. A number like that doesn't leave much room for subjectivity to an objective person.
Sure, but there were more injuries last year and the team went 10-6. It is not an excuse Bill should be using.I count on the IR: Brackett, Bullitt, Foster, Nevis, and Powers. Perhaps Angerer was the sixth because he missed almost the entire Pats game. Even if that's not a Pro Bowl lineup, those are all starters who had to be replaced.
That's probably true, but I don't believe the criticism he is getting now is related. (I'm not implying that you're saying it is or isn't, either.)And most of the heavy criticism started with the 15th game after starting 14-0. The Colts were still winning, and he got FAR more crap than deserved starting around that time.
I think it's pretty clear now that you could put Peyton in any system and it would result in success. We're seeing right now the true talent of the team that Peyton nearly lead to a perfect season and to a Super Bowl just 2 years ago. You can make a pretty good arguement that this 0-12 team has more talent then that one.
I'm not disputing your analysis. My point is that it's irrelevant to what he said. What's he going to say? "We lost six defensive starters, but thank God one of them was Gary Brackett because we really improved at that position."
Yes, I'm being facetious, just to illustrate the point that what he said was factual, even if every one of those injuries didn't necessarily make the team worse.
All he's saying is that the team has faced challenges. He finished the quote with "...you can't cry about it. ... Nothing is going to change it." I hardly think of that as an "excuse" that he can't "use." He's just stating facts.
That's fine, but I'd just like to hear his excuse for the crappy defense the other 11.5 years. I wish somebody would ask him, but he is way too careful about controlling the message and who has access to him. He's not going to be answering the phone if Kravitz number shows up on his caller ID, that's for sure.
I'd like to add to the Ren and Gomer debate.
First, when Polian claims that this is the worst season he has ever experienced and then outlined the reasons why...he should've just stopped at Peyton Manning getting hurt and moved onto another topic. Lets be honest, if #18 was playing this team would not be 0-12, I would bet my life on it. Colts have endured plenty of injuries on both of sides of the ball in the past and still were playoff teams because until this year there was the one constant and that was #18 playing. Almost all the 6 defensive starters Polian is referring to have missed significant time in the past, Bullitt, Powers and Brackett come to mind. Hell, a few years ago the Colts were able to make the playoffs without their best playmaker on defense, #93 for the last half of the season. In addition and to add more to my point, the Colts and Polian have always preached the "next man up" philosophy...Bob Sanders goes down Melvin Bullitt steps up, Brackett goes down Pat Angerer steps up, etc. That worked when #18 was playing. So to now say that losing 6 starters on defense is a part of the problem is BS to me, it is #18, plain and simple!
If Polian came out said, losing #18 for the season really showed us that he masked a lot of the problems we have from a talent standpoint at other positions, then I would respect him but until then he is just insulting the fans.
As for Angerer leading the league in tackles, that typically happens when the offense is inept and the defense is on the field a majority of the time. Not knocking Angerer, I think he is a nice player, but if the Colts were 12-0, I'd doubt he would be leading the league in tackles.
"Any time that I can be out at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, you're going to see a smile on my face." - Dan Wheldon
"It's crazy how the Indianapolis Motor Speedway can make you so emotional. I went from the highest of highs to the lowest of lows in less than 24 hours." - Alex Tagliani
You'd prefer that he insult the players? "It doesn't matter that we lost Brackett, Bullitt, Clark, and so on. They all became irrelevant as soon as we lost Manning."
You know, and I know, and Polian knows that the loss of Manning was probably the most damaging loss of an individual player for any team going back many years. Polian was sure to include it at the start of his list. But sometimes it seems like just Bill and I understand that a team -- even this team, with this historically outstanding player -- is about so much more than just the QB.
And that right there is all of my thoughts summed up in one nice sentence.
Certainly that is a factor, but he has been pretty spectacular at times. His weakness, from what I've seen, is when it comes to those rare running backs that are bigger than linebackers. Both Peyton Hillis and Legarrette Blount gave him some issues.As for Angerer leading the league in tackles, that typically happens when the offense is inept and the defense is on the field a majority of the time. Not knocking Angerer, I think he is a nice player, but if the Colts were 12-0, I'd doubt he would be leading the league in tackles.
It should be, but is it really? There are certainly some great individual talents, but together they don't add up to much without Peyton. Bill might understand that, but is he willing to accept [i]any[/i[responsibility for it? From what I've seen/heard of him, the answer is no.
So the problem is not what he says, but what he doesn't say?
He certainly wouldn't be the first NFL guy who doesn't openly talk about all his mistakes.
He certainly wouldn't be the first guy (or gal) period who doesn't openly talk about all his mistakes.
Yep, Angerer is undersized for a LB, especially middle LB. But Colts like their LBs to be able to get out in coverage in that dreadful cover 2, which Angerer isn't that great at anyway.
Part of the problem is the whole Tampa 2 defense needs to be scrapped, you would think they would learn this after a decade of trying it to no avail. Pittsburgh has huge fast linebackers who are also very good at covering running backs and tight ends. The premise of having undersized linebackers is obsurd in today's NFL.
The whole thing needs to be blown up and it makes no sense for the Colts or Manning (if he can even play, which is a huge question to say the least) to waste 2 years in the process.
Definitely agree. Why is Pittsburgh Lbs able to cover tight ends in passing? Because they do everything possible to beat the crap of out of the te so he doesn't have a clear path to run a route. The colts lbs on the other hand go right to their zone coverage and don't even to attempt to alter a route for a te or RB.
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