I'm just raising a discussion.Originally Posted by lotuspoweredbyford
I'm just raising a discussion.
"Try some of these before or after your statements if you are not presenting them as facts. Things like - "In my opinion", or "I think that", JHMO, IMHO, IMO, JMO... Your opinions are not (necessarily) fact. That would clear things up some." - Seadog 03/25/2010 11:40am So the above is JMO.
Ciao.
...........of wait, I thought you were done?
Lucky us.
"I think of Indianapolis every day of the year, every
hour of the day, and when I sleep, too. Everything I
ever wanted in my life, I found inside the walls of
the Indianapolis Motor Speedway."
- Eddie Sachs.
thanx hurley for asking where gonzo was,,,,,,and I used to like you,,,,,
I love the sport more than I hate the past,
Good.
I had a brief moment of human ******* weakness, which I now deeply and truly regret. I'm sorry!
What's the problem in asking Lotus? It's a !@#$% discussion forum. If you don't like the topic, don't look at it. Yo don't like me put me on your ignore list, I won't lose any sleep over it. Otherwise quit your whining and complaining and add something to the discussion.
Need I remind you that without discussion you wouldn't have included Wheldon in your top drivers at the Speedway list! Ya, I probably still have the PM's!
What? Yo want me to bow down and cry and sob like everybody else?
No! This is a dangerous sport. It should remain a dangerous sport, not by introducing spiked wheels and moving chicanes but by pushing the boundaries of speed and what one can achieve behind the steering wheel in their quest to cross the finish line first.
Oh. I am positive you won't lose sleep over it.
Just as I am sure I won't need any Tylenol PM if you ignore me.
Nope, just thought you might be a human being. Guess I was wrong. Have a pleasant day.
Yep. It was between Dan and one other driver and I went with Dan after we talked it all out.Need I remind you that without discussion you wouldn't have included Wheldon in your top drivers at the Speedway list! Ya, I probably still have the PM's!
I really enjoyed that discussion with you. Wish that guy was still around.
So cause I question whether Kanaan and Dario are soft as compared to past racing drivers I am somehow some other guy?
It's funny, but I never once mentioned which older drivers I was referring yet there were members in this thread that were quick to recognize that Mario and AJ were handling things differently.
Do you disagree with the topic of the thread? You think Kanaan is as battle tested and as grizzled as AJ?
All I have heard Kanaan do all season long is whine about how drivers are racing each other. Even in Vegas he was crying about how early it was in the race to be competing the way drivers were.
What does he expect Lotus? What do you expect?
Maybe he isn't soft, maybe he is just hypocritical in his comments considering how hard he charged from the back of the pack right from the start of the races in many of the events this year.
Maybe that is where the topic of the conversation could have been steered instead of you and Hurley finding the need to be exactly what you accuse me of!
He's back, bitches.
They are reacting that way because they were very close to Dan, having been teammates and good friends off the track. And this isn't the first time they have lost a very, very good friend on track. To have it happen twice 11 years later must be devastating. Had it happened to (just taking a name not so many people are attached to at random) Saavadra, the focus would be on safety and that's that. The people closes to Saavadra... would be as devasted as TK and Dario are. They are humans too.
"Unfortunately, the business types who now permeate the sport don't share this same gut centered devotion. I can only hope that the truly addicted will prevail, and that the original spirit of open wheel competition will somehow manage to survive and prosper into the future."
-Dr. Stephen Olvey
I don't think you're a "villain" per se.
I do think that your current "persona" is different than the person I enjoyed talking with in the past.
As far as your "question", yes, I do think Dario and Tony are different than the drivers of the past.
I think the guys in the 1960's were used to losing plenty of guys. I don't want to say it rolled off their backs, but they were used to losing PLENTY of guys.
Society today is different, imagine if Black Sunday happened in 2011.
If you lost 1/11th of the Indianapolis 500 field in one day, the reaction would be unreal.
I definitely think that your "kind" of driver is from a different era, one that is gone.
No.
Because again, 2011 is different than 1961.
Maybe so.
I think they still exist though and the current economics of the sport has left them on the outside.
I still see it in guys like Kyle Busch, Harvick, and Power, but there are certainly fewer of them.
Then I am not so out to lunch in starting the thread.
i saw TK hit EC in practice (brake failure) and barely escape death/injury this year. He got right back in the car like nothing happened. I think you could take TK off that list, as for the others on the list, keep them there
No, but as I mentioned, the world is different.
As I said, I think if Black Sunday happened today, the media firestorm would be so intense that it would really consume IndyCar, the world is such a different place from the one Bob Sweikert raced in.
perhaps one of the differences today as compared to sweikert's era is the appreciation fans have for what the drivers do.
+1
I greatly appreciate the history of open-wheel racing, I respect the tough guys of 50 years ago who, when their friends bought it, would be back out there after the wreckage was scraped off the track.
I'm on record here, multiple times, as saying that it simply would not be the same if the risk of death could be completely removed from automobile racing.
As lotus said, though, the world has changed, and I'll tack on that the sport has changed and drivers have changed and fans have changed and the media has changed and sponsors have changed. (You think people paying zillions of dollars to promote their products in this sport ... and I'll concede the argument that sponsors may have too much control but that genie's not going back in the bottle and the days of the sportsman car owners are never coming back ... really like to be associated with death?)
I'm not saying the people in this sport today still don't race for the love of it, and don't willingly accept the risks, but I think there's a point beyond which today's drivers are not going to go. People used to risk busting their a**es just to make enough gas money to get from Springfield to DuQuoin. Not gonna happen anymore. These guys (and girls) are corporate conglomerates, not just race drivers. If that makes them soft in some people's eyes, so be it.
And as far as the old line guys ... I'm risking being incinerated for this ... as another example of how things have changed, does anybody really, truly think that the A.J. Foyt of 1958 or the Dale Earnhardt of 1979 (note my time frames, I'm not talking about later years when they both slicked up and could work a corporate board room as well as anyone) would get within 10 miles of an IndyCar or NASCAR garage in 2011?
Wow, you must be proud of yourself.
Would you bring up the topic in front of Dario and TK outside of the memorial service last night?
If so, you're a brave little muppet. If not, you're a classless one who hides behind a keyboard. Only you really know, I guess.
http://www.trackforum.com/forums/sho...-south-on-I-75.....
Both back in race cars this week.
Sort of wraps this whole idiotic thread up
Faster than a bullet from a gun
He is faster than everyone
Quicker than the blinking of an eye
Like a flash you could miss him going by
No one knows quite how he does it but it's true they say
He's the master of going faster. -George Harrison
What's there to be proud of? That's an obvious remark to not being able to handle the subject matter. You are the one throwing personal barbs, but I am the classless one. If you can't handle it, scram, go find another thread to post in.
I wouldn't be insensitive enough to talk about this at a memorial function, but you can better beleive given the opportunity there is no question I would raise this discussion with them in person.
No idea what was said @ 11:22am
Your schtick is no longer amusing
Welcome to ignore
Not sure what you said, I've got you on ignore.
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