"Try some of these before or after your statements if you are not presenting them as facts. Things like - "In my opinion", or "I think that", JHMO, IMHO, IMO, JMO... Your opinions are not (necessarily) fact. That would clear things up some." - Seadog 03/25/2010 11:40am So the above is JMO.
thanx hurley for asking where gonzo was,,,,,,and I used to like you,,,,,
I love the sport more than I hate the past,
Need I remind you that without discussion you wouldn't have included Wheldon in your top drivers at the Speedway list! Ya, I probably still have the PM's!
No! This is a dangerous sport. It should remain a dangerous sport, not by introducing spiked wheels and moving chicanes but by pushing the boundaries of speed and what one can achieve behind the steering wheel in their quest to cross the finish line first.
It's funny, but I never once mentioned which older drivers I was referring yet there were members in this thread that were quick to recognize that Mario and AJ were handling things differently.
Do you disagree with the topic of the thread? You think Kanaan is as battle tested and as grizzled as AJ?
All I have heard Kanaan do all season long is whine about how drivers are racing each other. Even in Vegas he was crying about how early it was in the race to be competing the way drivers were.
What does he expect Lotus? What do you expect?
Maybe he isn't soft, maybe he is just hypocritical in his comments considering how hard he charged from the back of the pack right from the start of the races in many of the events this year.
Maybe that is where the topic of the conversation could have been steered instead of you and Hurley finding the need to be exactly what you accuse me of! Look in the mirror boys. I asked questions, I raised a discussion, and you guys want to make me into a villain. Boo hoo.
He's back, bitches.
They are reacting that way because they were very close to Dan, having been teammates and good friends off the track. And this isn't the first time they have lost a very, very good friend on track. To have it happen twice 11 years later must be devastating. Had it happened to (just taking a name not so many people are attached to at random) Saavadra, the focus would be on safety and that's that. The people closes to Saavadra... would be as devasted as TK and Dario are. They are humans too.
"Unfortunately, the business types who now permeate the sport don't share this same gut centered devotion. I can only hope that the truly addicted will prevail, and that the original spirit of open wheel competition will somehow manage to survive and prosper into the future."
-Dr. Stephen Olvey
I do think that your current "persona" is different than the person I enjoyed talking with in the past.
As far as your "question", yes, I do think Dario and Tony are different than the drivers of the past.
I think the guys in the 1960's were used to losing plenty of guys. I don't want to say it rolled off their backs, but they were used to losing PLENTY of guys.
Society today is different, imagine if Black Sunday happened in 2011.
If you lost 1/11th of the Indianapolis 500 field in one day, the reaction would be unreal.
I definitely think that your "kind" of driver is from a different era, one that is gone.
perhaps one of the differences today as compared to sweikert's era is the appreciation fans have for what the drivers do.
I greatly appreciate the history of open-wheel racing, I respect the tough guys of 50 years ago who, when their friends bought it, would be back out there after the wreckage was scraped off the track.
I'm on record here, multiple times, as saying that it simply would not be the same if the risk of death could be completely removed from automobile racing.
As lotus said, though, the world has changed, and I'll tack on that the sport has changed and drivers have changed and fans have changed and the media has changed and sponsors have changed. (You think people paying zillions of dollars to promote their products in this sport ... and I'll concede the argument that sponsors may have too much control but that genie's not going back in the bottle and the days of the sportsman car owners are never coming back ... really like to be associated with death?)
I'm not saying the people in this sport today still don't race for the love of it, and don't willingly accept the risks, but I think there's a point beyond which today's drivers are not going to go. People used to risk busting their a**es just to make enough gas money to get from Springfield to DuQuoin. Not gonna happen anymore. These guys (and girls) are corporate conglomerates, not just race drivers. If that makes them soft in some people's eyes, so be it.
And as far as the old line guys ... I'm risking being incinerated for this ... as another example of how things have changed, does anybody really, truly think that the A.J. Foyt of 1958 or the Dale Earnhardt of 1979 (note my time frames, I'm not talking about later years when they both slicked up and could work a corporate board room as well as anyone) would get within 10 miles of an IndyCar or NASCAR garage in 2011?
Both back in race cars this week.
Sort of wraps this whole idiotic thread up
Faster than a bullet from a gun
He is faster than everyone
Quicker than the blinking of an eye
Like a flash you could miss him going by
No one knows quite how he does it but it's true they say
He's the master of going faster. -George Harrison
I wouldn't be insensitive enough to talk about this at a memorial function, but you can better beleive given the opportunity there is no question I would raise this discussion with them in person.
No idea what was said @ 11:22am
Your schtick is no longer amusing
Welcome to ignore