What problem does the new car solve?
What problem does the new car solve?
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We'll find out after testing. All I know is it will have a rear bumper and multiple engine suppliers.
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Everything.
It solves the problem of having old cars.
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For one season. Then it becomes year old technology with known flaws that they have to live with and work around for years to come.Originally Posted by jcmark611
I hesitate to interrupt the private squabble you two are having to respond to the original post, but . . .
^^^This.
The main problem the new car is supposed to solve, in addition to updating the technology generally, was allowing some innovation at a reasonable price that teams could afford and all of the cars looking idenitcal to the fans. The $70k body kits should solve both problems.
So will that start packing the grandstands?
Probably not, but it may help make the series more interesting to watch than a spec series and win some new attendees/viewers. Maybe.
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In theory it will prevent cars from launching over the top of other cars with the fenders in the back.
The premise of the OP is that there are problems that need solved.....point out the problems, we will decide if the new car solves them!
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Actually I thought the premise was to troll and start another near useless thread in which he asks a generic question that is too open ended. Once the responses start piling in then the premise is to not like any of the answers.
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You forgot the part where he gets verbally aggressive in situations that don't call for it, or as it's otherwise known, the part where he goes "full Gary Busey" on us.
I've always thought the loss of momentum and acceleration has been a detriment to the on-track action.
Hoop98 may slap me upside the head, but I don't remember that being so apparent in the CART turbo days.
ignoring some of the unnecessarily sarcastic replies above I'll answer your question, cause I don't care if any likes and or does not like what I say. The new car solves some real and some perceived problems. Without new "things" innovation stifles. Indycar has a proud tradition of being the best and being innovative, something that arguably has gone by the wayside in recent times for all sorts if reasons, some good and some bad. The new car symbolises a return (but only in part) to trying to innovate. Will this attract new fans, probably not straight away. The new car also incorporates new technology and arguably is a safer car. Will this translate to better racing (and I won't describe what better racing is because on this forum it has too many different definitions), we will not know until the car is tested. One thing is for certain posters on this forum will not agree on whether the new car is good enough, there will be a wide range of views as some will always want to criticise for the sake of it and others will genuinely look to see if there are improvements.
In short, the new car is an evolution aiming to incorporate safety improvements and with multiple engine manufacturers it is attempting to re-introduce a more competitive and therefore innovative environment for racing technology. Time will tell is any of this is true or whether I have just wasted 5 minutes thinking about and then typing this...
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It solves the problem of the the constant bellyaching about the ugly, bad sounding cars being what's wrong and forces those narrow minded knuckleheads into thinking of something new to complain about which will keep them quiet for quite some time because thinking is really difficult for them.
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Driver safety (alledgedly, due to alot of improvements that we hear about but can't see much of), wheel interlocking (matter of opinion as of now but I believe it will help), speed on RC/SC (improved aero under the car, powah, among other things). I'd expect speeds to remains the same on ovals, but they may go up if they decide to play with the hp/downforce numbers, but I suspect its too late for that. Rumors include more power on p2p. Engine competition is a step away from spec racing, and we'll see how wide the rules are. Costs go down (remember the bits about how the suspension pieces are ambidexterous, clearly serious thought went into it). Suspension is more accessible and easier to work on for the crews.
We still have a Dallara with an airbox, and some people won't see past that. At least this car is designed with both ovals and RCs in mind. Designed for the series we have now.
I think that the rear bodywork will help with raciness too, since drivers will be less afraid to tangle wheels they will take more risks.
Could we have done better? Hell yeah. Did we stay the same or go backwards? Time will tell but I don't think so.
Waiting for the product is better than dumping on it while it's still being developed. But hey, its the offseason, what else will we talk about?
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Will any of this increase interest among NEW or OLD fans?
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I understand the point you are making Gonzo, as an example I knew the Panoz DP01 was not going to save CCWS....existing fans are going to watch whether or not you have a new chassis, and new fans will be impressed by the current or new cars, but that being said, are you going to run the current Dallara for another decade? Its time for a new chassis, and if it is more cost effective, easier to work on, safer, better handling, lighter, etc., than it can only be an improvement.
Do those things solve the lack of interest though? If it doesn't what have you improved upon?
Gonzo, instead of a bunch of mind-numbingly repetitive questions, can you please detail what you would present for a new IndyCar design?
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Taken in the aggregate, they have the potential to do so. Whether or not that actually pans out is not a scientifically-predictable process, because popularity is not a rational phenomenon.
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The improvement in competition (competition= entertainment) that comes as a result will invigorate the current fanbase that is tired of looking at these old Dallaras, hopefully bring in some old fans who grew tired of the same ole' crappy formula, and be a better product for new fans.
You also get a cheaper series=more ROI for sponsors, and activated engine manufactuers, with reportedly more on the way. If Chevy is half as active as Honda we have scored a big partner.
And I may **** off people in saying this, but its a series that looks more like CART. That series had plenty more interested fans than we do now.
If Gonzo threads are the only thing to keep us talking this off season... fine. St Pete's a long way away. I'm looking forward to it though. Why? The new car.
How will the new car improve competition? The only thing I have heard from anybody about this new car is that it is more agile and better balanced. How will a better handling car increase competition?
Not sure I follow you on this point. You actually think teams will now charge less for that same wing space? By charging less would undermine the current value.
Activation is probably one of the most misused pieces of jargon out there, but I digress. Yes, I agree, having more sponsors willing to use Indy Car as a platform to market their products would be a definite benefit.
Did it require a new chassis to accomplish this though?
How does it look more like CART?
Yes, that is what we need. Drivers (Viso and Sato come first to mind) taking more risks because they think they are invincible. Brilliant.
AgreeCould we have done better? Hell yeah.Those are wrong questions IMO. The right question is did we go forward and unfortunately I don't think so. It is more or less back to time before 2005 in IRL or 2003 in Champ Cars. The new car has done very little to actually move the sport forward.Did we stay the same or go backwards? Time will tell but I don't think so.
Agree.Waiting for the product is better than dumping on it while it's still being developed. But hey, its the offseason, what else will we talk about?
^^^^ That's my issue with the car. In the beginning I could get on board with it because the body kits were included. That made it "mechanically pseudo-spec and aero pseudo-open" which is fine by me. Once you throw out the body kits then you venture closer to fail. If they don't show up by 2013 then it's "what was the point of this again?"
I posted this on another forum, but maybe it fits in here too........
What is Indycar Racing supposed to be? I am sure that everyone probably has a different slant on what that is. To you it's one thing, to him it's one thing, to her it's something else, and still different to me. That's kind of what makes it great, IMO. Very rarely can something be all things, but Indycar kind of has that ability if it wants to.
If we consider what the sport was founded on, actually founded on, then I think it answers the question of where it should go.
At the heart and soul of Indycar is innovation. It's what the sport was founded on and it's what got us to this point.......... literally, pun intended, etc. etc. etc.
Roadsters ruled the day, and then came these rear engine cars and the roadster fans screamed blasphemy! Indycar didn't really care, because it was founded on............. innovation.
Rear engine cars were "what's next," maybe we've reached that point?
IMO, we should have reached that point over a decade ago, but innovation was left out of AOWR.
IMO, the future has already been laid out in front of us, we are currently having the "roadster vs. rear engine" debate.
I don't think Indy Car has ever been about innovation. F1 is about innovation. Indy Car was about going fast plain and simple. Innovation allowed them to continue that journey but ultimately it was the series that could go the fastest.
When Senna arrived for his test with Penske do you think he was thinking wow, this is truly an innovative car or do you think he though man, I've just gone back in time but this thing is wickedly fast and fun to drive?
what was the turbine?
Senna probably thought it was crude, heavy, and slow compared to his F1 car, but fun to drive.
The car alone probably doesn't solve any problems. The fact that different aero and power plants can be adapted to it is a plus. I'm positive it will be safer than it's predecessor, simply because it is not a nearly 10 year old design. While I don't personally find the design attractive, I believe that it will allow for teams to innovate enough to separate themselves from other teams. While it's not the wide open rulebook I would like to see, it is an affordable compromise. That wide open rule book would probably allow costs to escalate and put some teams out of business. Overall, I think Indycar is beginning it's comeback, and the new car is just part of this process.
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