What problem does the new car solve?
What problem does the new car solve?
"Try some of these before or after your statements if you are not presenting them as facts. Things like - "In my opinion", or "I think that", JHMO, IMHO, IMO, JMO... Your opinions are not (necessarily) fact. That would clear things up some." - Seadog 03/25/2010 11:40am So the above is JMO.
We'll find out after testing. All I know is it will have a rear bumper and multiple engine suppliers.
Everything.
World hunger.Originally Posted by gonzo
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It solves the problem of having old cars.
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Driver safety (alledgedly, due to alot of improvements that we hear about but can't see much of), wheel interlocking (matter of opinion as of now but I believe it will help), speed on RC/SC (improved aero under the car, powah, among other things). I'd expect speeds to remains the same on ovals, but they may go up if they decide to play with the hp/downforce numbers, but I suspect its too late for that. Rumors include more power on p2p. Engine competition is a step away from spec racing, and we'll see how wide the rules are. Costs go down (remember the bits about how the suspension pieces are ambidexterous, clearly serious thought went into it). Suspension is more accessible and easier to work on for the crews.
We still have a Dallara with an airbox, and some people won't see past that. At least this car is designed with both ovals and RCs in mind. Designed for the series we have now.
I think that the rear bodywork will help with raciness too, since drivers will be less afraid to tangle wheels they will take more risks.
Could we have done better? Hell yeah. Did we stay the same or go backwards? Time will tell but I don't think so.
Waiting for the product is better than dumping on it while it's still being developed. But hey, its the offseason, what else will we talk about?
Last edited by doitagain; 11-01-2011 at 03:16 PM.
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-Dr. Stephen Olvey
The need to mandate rear wing angles at super speedways
I wouldn't say it completely solves any one problem but it's a big step forward on multiple fronts.
Acting like the car is going to save us all is misguided, but it's a pretty big piece of the puzzle and I think they've done a pretty good job with it considering the financial limitations of the teams and series at this point in time.
Not sure is "solves" any (that word is too strong for me) but should address a number of problems. The rear bodywork and wider floor should cut down on the chances of interlocking wheels. The tunnels in the floor should help reduce the dependence on the wings for downforce and make the cars less sensitive to turbulence. The large cockpit should afford more safety for the drivers, particularly tall ones like Rahal and Wilson.
Will any of this increase interest among NEW or OLD fans?
Last edited by doitagain; 11-01-2011 at 03:17 PM.
What's the puzzle that this car is a pretty big piece of?
I would think one of the biggest problems is a .1 TV rating and empty grand stands. Will a reduction in interlocking wheels or turbulence and a safer cockpit put more butts in the seats and more viewers watching on TV?
Those three things specifically? Of course not. You asked what problems it solved. I gave three problems that the new car addresses.
Not sure, lets ask the car.
trackforum: DW12, will 24 of you fill the seats?
DW12:
Maybe even reduce the number of unscheduled flights on the ovals.
having to look at the old car for another year
- Engine competition
- Faster/better performance on road/street courses
- Some cost control for teams (which will be spent on test days)
- Cars sound better (and arguably look better)
- Safety
- Aero kits in 2013 ?
Nothing that's going to put a ton of butts in the seats/eyeballs on TV sets but Chevy and Lotus having engines might get a few gearheads interested and the product ought to be better on the road/street courses. Remains to be seen if it's better on ovals.
Anything that improves the product is going to help, but I continue to feel is the issue is that the casual fan isn't invested in the drivers, teams, and events outside of the Indy 500. I don't hear a lot of complaints about the racing being terrible from casual fans, just that they don't care because they don't know the drivers.
Might keep drivers alive and intact.
In theory it will prevent cars from launching over the top of other cars with the fenders in the back.
The premise of the OP is that there are problems that need solved.....point out the problems, we will decide if the new car solves them!
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Actually I thought the premise was to troll and start another near useless thread in which he asks a generic question that is too open ended. Once the responses start piling in then the premise is to not like any of the answers.
**** This Sport
You forgot the part where he gets verbally aggressive in situations that don't call for it, or as it's otherwise known, the part where he goes "full Gary Busey" on us.
Which is why I was tying to "close end " the question! I saw the bobber in the water
Tell us what the problems are Gonz, we will answer then!
I've always thought the loss of momentum and acceleration has been a detriment to the on-track action.
Hoop98 may slap me upside the head, but I don't remember that being so apparent in the CART turbo days.
ignoring some of the unnecessarily sarcastic replies above I'll answer your question, cause I don't care if any likes and or does not like what I say. The new car solves some real and some perceived problems. Without new "things" innovation stifles. Indycar has a proud tradition of being the best and being innovative, something that arguably has gone by the wayside in recent times for all sorts if reasons, some good and some bad. The new car symbolises a return (but only in part) to trying to innovate. Will this attract new fans, probably not straight away. The new car also incorporates new technology and arguably is a safer car. Will this translate to better racing (and I won't describe what better racing is because on this forum it has too many different definitions), we will not know until the car is tested. One thing is for certain posters on this forum will not agree on whether the new car is good enough, there will be a wide range of views as some will always want to criticise for the sake of it and others will genuinely look to see if there are improvements.
In short, the new car is an evolution aiming to incorporate safety improvements and with multiple engine manufacturers it is attempting to re-introduce a more competitive and therefore innovative environment for racing technology. Time will tell is any of this is true or whether I have just wasted 5 minutes thinking about and then typing this...
MrKiwi - I Like Red Cars
I understand the point you are making Gonzo, as an example I knew the Panoz DP01 was not going to save CCWS....existing fans are going to watch whether or not you have a new chassis, and new fans will be impressed by the current or new cars, but that being said, are you going to run the current Dallara for another decade? Its time for a new chassis, and if it is more cost effective, easier to work on, safer, better handling, lighter, etc., than it can only be an improvement.
It solves the problem of the the constant bellyaching about the ugly, bad sounding cars being what's wrong and forces those narrow minded knuckleheads into thinking of something new to complain about which will keep them quiet for quite some time because thinking is really difficult for them.
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"They're criminals"
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No one is allowed to do anything that doesn't immediately and definitively solve the world's most pressing problem at any given point in time, regardless of how beneficial whatever else you were planning to do might be in some other aspect.
Hope you don't need to use the bathroom anytime soon.
It solves more problems than Craig James killed hookers while at SMU
The improvement in competition (competition= entertainment) that comes as a result will invigorate the current fanbase that is tired of looking at these old Dallaras, hopefully bring in some old fans who grew tired of the same ole' crappy formula, and be a better product for new fans.
You also get a cheaper series=more ROI for sponsors, and activated engine manufactuers, with reportedly more on the way. If Chevy is half as active as Honda we have scored a big partner.
And I may **** off people in saying this, but its a series that looks more like CART. That series had plenty more interested fans than we do now.
If Gonzo threads are the only thing to keep us talking this off season... fine. St Pete's a long way away. I'm looking forward to it though. Why? The new car.
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