Maybe, but I tend to think no, not for a year or two.Originally Posted by Ken
Maybe, but I tend to think no, not for a year or two.
NOTHING is going to have a noticeable, immediate effect. Indycar is way too far off the radar for that.
Not even the Deltathing.
The best Indycar can do is to work extremely hard and smart to try to make some gradual annual gains in attendance and viewers by making improvements on every front--cars, promotion, drivers, promotion, TV contract, promotion, schedule, promotion, race control, promotion, etc. It took 15 years of horrible decision after horrible decision to tear it down and run off the vast majority of followers, and it's probably going to take 15 years of hard, smart work and no stupid decisions to bring it back to 1995 levels fan by fan.
I've been on the Weight Watchers program for a couple of months now, and while I've dropped about 20 pounds, I still have a long way to go. While no single cheeseburger avoided is going to make me skinny, the cumulative effect of lots of smarter and more efficient decisions is that two years from now, I'll be as fit as I'd like to be. I didn't get fat eating one cheeseburger, and I won't get thin by avoiding one. It takes time, and lots of small changes that add up to a much more positive presentation.
So Indy HP, and Hurley, are you guys telling me if Indy Car announced today that they had a new 1500 horsepower engine that had secretly been in development, that they had a brand new car that was revolutionary, new look, new seating position, all sorts of go fast gadgets, super fat racing slicks, track records expected all over, speeds never before seen in a closed course racing car, and that Jimmie Johnson would be in the series, are you guys telling me that you wouldn't be excited as hell for the new season, that it wouldn't entice you to go to a race this year and at the very least make damn sure to watch it on TV and tell all your friends?
Think something like the Red Bull X1. Not saying for it to be the X1, I'm just saying something out there as radical or even more radical than the X1.
Are you guys going to honestly sit there and say that won't have an immediate noticeable effect?
Here is another:
Indy would be sold out, Toronto and Long Beach would be building new stands and ratings would be through the roof!
Realistic to think any of that could happen............YES, ENTIRELY!
"Try some of these before or after your statements if you are not presenting them as facts. Things like - "In my opinion", or "I think that", JHMO, IMHO, IMO, JMO... Your opinions are not (necessarily) fact. That would clear things up some." - Seadog 03/25/2010 11:40am So the above is JMO.
Can they be produced at an affordable price point for the car owners? If they can and the manufacturer could sell enough of 'em to make it worth their while, then it would be on.Think something like the Red Bull X1. Not saying for it to be the X1, I'm just saying something out there as radical or even more radical than the X1.
43 -- Joe Gosek -- ALTA Team Scandia -- Lola/Ford
Cost is not an issue!
That's a sweet looking racecar
1500 hp makes your post seem unrealistic, IMO. That thing would be a rocket with 800 and it would be hard to control if you simply used the small element of the rear wing and a smaller front wing.
If we are just now getting to this you obviously didn't understand post #32.
Would it happen overnight, no. Would you get JJ, no. It would be a damn good start though.
REAMS for any part that is not a crash structure. Wheel covers, etc.
If you're fantasizing of course not. We can go on and on. Who wouldn't love to see that car?
Are you looking for something that can happen in actual reality? Race cars will never be what they once were. A beautiful gleam in the eyes of dreamers who could make it happen.
I loved Dan Gurney's Eagle in 1967, I loved that Caroll Shelby could take on Ferrari and win, I loved NASCAR cars that looked liked cars. Those days are over.
Cars look like what they look like because they are computer generated for aero efficiency. Race car manufacturers have to produce a profit, that is why they are in business. I wish it were different, but that's the world we live in.
That is an awesome-looking race car that I would love to see race, but it alone would not save the series from itself, and even if it could, it wouldn't happen overnight.So Indy HP, and Hurley, are you guys telling me if Indy Car announced today that they had a new 1500 horsepower engine that had secretly been in development, that they had a brand new car that was revolutionary, new look, new seating position, all sorts of go fast gadgets, super fat racing slicks, track records expected all over, speeds never before seen in a closed course racing car, and that Jimmie Johnson would be in the series, are you guys telling me that you wouldn't be excited as hell for the new season, that it wouldn't entice you to go to a race this year and at the very least make damn sure to watch it on TV and tell all your friends?
Think something like the Red Bull X1. Not saying for it to be the X1, I'm just saying something out there as radical or even more radical than the X1.
Are you guys going to honestly sit there and say that won't have an immediate noticeable effect?
Here is another:
Indy would be sold out, Toronto and Long Beach would be building new stands and ratings would be through the roof!
Realistic to think any of that could happen............YES, ENTIRELY!
I expect if the announcement you suggest were made, we might see some "Danica bump" effect on attendance and ratings for about a half-season, but it wouldn't be permanent. Americans aren't going to wake up one day en mass and start following Indycar because of a fancy new car or one popular driver from another series--it just ain't going to happen like that.
Popularity is the type of thing that builds slowly by word-of-mouth, and only if the product is consistently entertaining over a long period of time. F1 built its massive global following over years and years of very smart guidance, and that's what Indycar has to do if it wants to be popular in North America again.
Come on Indy-hp. You know darn well Long Beach would be adding new grandstands.
Woah woah woah woah woah. No adding new variables after we answer your question. Would Jimmie Johnson running IndyCar improve ratings and attendance? Yes. But it would do so in the current car, the new car, or the Red Bull fantasy car. You can't add that to a question we already answered if you want to say the answer was wrong. That's dirty pool.
Now, if you leave Jimmie out of it, and just clarify your original question about the car by pointing to a 1000+ HP version of this Red Bull video game car (or similarly extreme machine), sure. Maybe if they went THAT extreme, it would yield a modest initial bump in interest. I don't think it would be NEARLY as significant as you think. MAYBE at Indy. Now, two or three years down the road, with tons of promotion, yeah, you'd get enough people to notice that you should start seeing some bump. But in 2012? Nothing more than a blip.
There aren't enough people who worship the car as a design and technology icon anymore. You'd be targeting an increase among a decreasing slice of potential viewers.
And as for cost not being an issue, cost is always an issue.
That is a hot looking car, though.
You really think so Hurley? Odd then why GT would even bother putting it into their game then.Woah woah woah woah woah. No adding new variables after we answer your question. Would Jimmie Johnson running IndyCar improve ratings and attendance? Yes. But it would do so in the current car, the new car, or the Red Bull fantasy car. You can't add that to a question we already answered if you want to say the answer was wrong. That's dirty pool.
Now, if you leave Jimmie out of it, and just clarify your original question about the car by pointing to a 1000+ HP version of this Red Bull video game car (or similarly extreme machine), sure. Maybe if they went THAT extreme, it would yield a modest initial bump in interest. I don't think it would be NEARLY as significant as you think. MAYBE at Indy. Now, two or three years down the road, with tons of promotion, yeah, you'd get enough people to notice that you should start seeing some bump. But in 2012? Nothing more than a blip.
There aren't enough people who worship the car as a design and technology icon anymore. You'd be targeting an increase among a decreasing slice of potential viewers.
And as for cost not being an issue, cost is always an issue.
That is a hot looking car, though.
And fair enough, I sweetened the argument, but INdy HP emphatically said NOTHING, so it invited some sweetening. And you also didn't address my initial question of whether you would go.
I did, though I admittedly wasn't clear enough. I'm part of the decreasing slice of America that views the car as a design and technology icon. I'd be there in a heartbeat. But I don't think there are enough folks like me to make a difference. And I'm not tooting my own horn here like I'm special; it probably means I'm old and out of touch.
And GT put it in their game because coders can make anything work in fiction-land. Getting it to work on track is an entirely different animal.
I love that a big part of the X2010's design answers the question: how could you build a DeltaWing and still retain the wider front track of a traditional race car?
I'll give you this, Gonzo: if IndyCar could find a way to get a car that looked like that, and do it at a cost that could still produce a good field, that'd be a hell of a sight to see!
I don't see why it couldn't. What drives costs out of control are attempts at losing weight using exotic materials. So don't bother making the thing super ultra light. It doesn't need to be. Doesn't matter how light the thing is, it will still be light enough and with 1500 hp exciting enough.
It could be done.
I don't think they could get 1500 hp and have the races be long enough to be a reasonable entertainment value.
The fan assembly probably adds a fair bit of weight, and the much higher cornering speeds would probably make passing on road courses even tougher. Eliminate the fan and go to a normal ground effect chassis design. Do that, and it looks like it wouldn't weight much more (if any more) than a current open-wheel car. At that point, 900+ hp would make it scream.
post 99 and 100.
The whining from thoswe who said the old car was an eye sore and over used. That's about it. Now we have people whining about it being slow, ugly and not raceworthy.
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