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Foot in mouth anyone?
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Foot in mouth anyone?
What a schmuck. The last thing the university needs is a Paterno excuser's opinion.Originally Posted by midtown
Agreed. They weren't just Sandusky's crimes. They were the crimes of everybody who helped hide it.
Personally I can't think of any other time I have seen a group of people in so much denial. They should just move to Egypt and be done with it.
They had to do something because if this had happened in the Penn State chemistry department, Sandusky would have been in jail a decade ago. Insofar as the cover-up served to protect the cash-cow that is Penn State's NCAA-sanctioned D1 football program, the cover-up should be punishable by the NCAA. Among others, of course ...
Yeah, pretty shocking response from the Paternos.
Like a line of giraffes with their heads up each others'...
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Fun Fact: Last QB to win at PSU Mike McQueary on Nov. 22, 1997.
The 2010 game between Penn State and Ohio State now never took place as both teams have had to vacate it.
The argument that "Penn State accepted the punishment, so it must be OK" is bogus. What choice did they have? Emmert had made the decision to hammer them, they had no choice other than to be the nail.
Could have done w/o TD's gleeful posts about Urban Meyer and IU...
$60,000,000 fine - Fair enough. Needs clarity on where the money comes from, and where it goes.
Four year bowl ban - Acceptable, punishes program whose leader is implicated in covering up a terrible ongoing crime.
Scholarships reduced from 25 to 15 per year for four years - OK, but a bit too harsh IMO.
Football players can transfer and be immediately eligible - Only fair thing to do, but by waiting until mid-July they really limit the impact on the current team, only on recruits for 2013.
Players can choose to stay at PSU with scholarship - Fair thing to do.
All wins from 1998-2011 are vacated - Too bad they can't separate the Coach from the team. A lot of players and coaches just saw their athletic lives wiped away without having done anything wrong. Also, why back to 1998? Yes, that's when the first accusations are said to have occured, but the police and DA investigated and failed to file charges. The NCAA is now saying they are smarter and more well-informed than the people that actually investigated the allegations.
Athletic program on probation for five years - Fine, but should be the football program only. AFAIK, the women's track team didn't do anything.
NCAA reserves right to investigate & sanction individuals involved - OK
Big 10 witholds $13MM from PSU as their share of league bowl revenue - Fair enough, like the NCAA fine it needs to be shown where this money is going, and it needs to be meaningful in terms of at-risk children and child advocacy.
Ouch.
Oh lighten up akh. Helluva lot worse being said damn near everywhere. IU comment was more of a slap at IU anyway.
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They could have chosen not to cover for a pedophile. They had that choice if they didn't want to be the nail.
I'd like to say I'm surprised but...
"Sexual abuse is reprehensible, especially when it involves children, and no one starting with Joe Paterno condones or minimizes it."
And yet that is exactly what he did. They really need to keep quiet - they are not helping his legacy in the least.
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Human beings want to forgive. We want to have people we can look up to. If they shut up and let the process play out, ten years from now you'll see wins dedicated to Coach Paterno and books written attempting to explain why he wasn't a bad guy, but just a guy caught in his later years by a scandal so monstrous none of us could have dealt with the knowledge JoPa had to bear. Or some other such drivel. Either way, the lionization will resume, given time. But if they keep squawking about it now, they may shoot that effort in the foot before it starts.
Wrong. If the NCAA didn't have authority as some want to claim, they certainly could have fought it. If the they didn't have the authority, PSU could have gone to court and forced the NCAA to prove they had the ability to force this issue.
The only way they didn't have a choice is because, in fact, the NCAA absolutely had the authority to do this. The reality is that, again, this happened in the AD - specifically the football program. Those in charge (minus a couple of the blind-faith trustees) seem to understand this.
Edit to add - good for those in charge for realizing the situation and finally seeming to get it.
Like I said, without the cash-cow levels of money college football produces, Sandusky would have been in jail a decade ago. Since it's the money and prestige the NCAA has worked so hard to develop that made Penn State cover this up to begin with, that puts the problem squarely into NCAA territory to address.
Agreed - I was going to quote you earlier and say that but even I'm getting sick of how often I've posted in this thread.
I agree with Desmond Howard's take on this situation.
Howard said that he's tired of hearing about the victims, the players that remain at Penn St. He said that they had a choice to come to Penn St. and they have a choice to leave Penn St. but those young men, who were sodomized, had no choice with what Sandusky did to them!
Also this is within NCAA jurisdiction because the cover up had everything to do with protecting Sandusky and the football program. It's as simple as that actually.
Have a very blessed day!
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Just when you think it can't get any worse.
Yeah he was spot on. I've become somewhat of a fan of him. Even if I am a Buckeyes fan.
I wasn't a fan of his when he was a Wolverine, but he thinks like the common fan more than most commentators now.
Oh yeah I hated his guts. It was a tough time to be a Buckeye with Cooper choking it away every year. Howard running us over didn't help.
Yeah, that guy crushed my Patriots, but he's absolutely right here.
It's way past time they STHU.
I disagree. The NCAA has procedure that must be followed (per contract) when it comes to imposing penalties on member institutions. This situation got fast-tracked because of PSU waiving most (or all) of the required procedural safeguards.
Penn State certainly could have fought this, but wisely decided not to. ANY protest or procedural posturing would be a PR disaster as it looks like the program was further protecting the horrendous crimes that took place, thus they rip the band-aid off all at once. Now, they can at least attempt to move on.
"Show me in the rule book where it says we can't cover up for a pedophile".
I ain't quiet, everybody else is too loud.
Perfect.
When I first read about the NCAA announcement, this part stood out to me, and I could not agree more:
http://www.chron.com/news/article/Pe...ns-3726954.php"The sanctions needed to reflect our goals of providing cultural change," NCAA President Mark Emmert said as he announced the penalties at a news conference in Indianapolis.
. . . .
"Football will never again be placed ahead of educating, nurturing and protecting young people," Emmert said.
No, they're not saying they're smarter. It's because both PSU and NCAA ageed to accept the findings of the Freeh report, which only deals with those charges brought and convictions obtained. Yes, the abuse and cover-up likely extends back much farther than 1998. But for the NCAA to prosecute for all years would mean a much larger investigation that would take years and many more millions of dollars spent by the NCAA and PSU.
Call it a plea bargain.
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PSU had the 15th rated recruiting class for 2013 according to scout.com. Most of the 12 commits are from PA, probably grew up PSU fans. Will be interesting to see how many de-commit and where they go.
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