No, but it will get your phone records tapped!Originally Posted by mdkiel
No, but it will get your phone records tapped!
Is it me or has that delta wing test car lost about 4 feet off its length?
I don't know how to post pictures, but take a look at the overhead shot of the car in this link. I think the nose being shorter is an optical illusion. It does look cobbled together though. Throwing some paint on it would probably help.I'd say using the Aston tub has definitely affected the final design, but I didn't expect it to be anywhere near that big of a change. The nose is dramatically shorter and the shape is much sharper. Looks like someone lost their sanding block when they built up the plug for the mold. It definitely looks cobbled together, especially that rear end. That makes the DW12 Karbashians look downright tidy.
I'm shocked I've never seen this picture. How did I not know that Adrian Newey abd I suppose Red Bull actually built a mock up of his red Bull car.
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Actually, I do agree with that. I would have been much more comfortable with the Delta Wing in IndyCar only if they had gone for multiple chassis options.
I guess that they came as close to that as they dared with the (eventual) multiple areo kit options on the DW12.
Since they created the sports car version with an Aston tub, I wonder how hard it would be to create and IndyCar version using the Dallara safety cell. I'm in the group that likes the originality, but wouldn't want it mandated as the spec car for IICS. That said, I wouldn't mind seeing an IndyCar version go head to head with more conventional cars.
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I predict that Nissan will get more per dollar PR benefit out of their Deltawing effort than any other maker/sponsor in all of motorsports.
That's exactly what the committee should have allowed. I can see that, given the fragile nature of the series, they couldn't risk everything on such a radical car, however they should have allowed the Delta as an option for whoever wanted to build one. Now THAT would have been fantastic for IndyCar!
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The Delta Wing is pretty cool. They just need to spread the front wheels apart some and then put a wing on the Front and back. Then it will look really cool.
Good thing the put a hole on the tip of the nose. Now they have something to tape up to make it even faster.
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Anyone else noticing how much shorter the actual on-track car is than its showcar prototype cousin?
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I thought size didn't matter
Seriously though, they are obviously cousins but the on track car has some big differences. Looks shorter, less coke bottle shaped, side pods start further foreword, bigger shark fin.
I knew it wasn't just me. I think it makes it look even more odd being shorter
Is that a little bit of Eagle BLAT theory going on at the leading edge of the sidepods? Makes sense with the AAR involvement and how proudly Dan still talks about the Pepsi Challenger.
gosh darn it i love this car http://www.flickr.com/photos/77271818@N08/6979876023/sizes/z/in/photostream/
Thats not the "real car", its a Lola tub with delta wing bits attatched to it. Not sure if its just for testing or if thats just they way they decided to go with it.
Unconfirmed, I've heard Swift is either consulting on or handling design duties of the Honda kit.
If you made a rule book and allow chassis competition, all the cars are going to look very similar for the most part (think CART and IRL in the past and F1 to present day). The only way for the Delta Wing to be implemented as the new Indycar would have been for it to be the style of all the cars in the field...the idea of it racing against "conventional" cars like the DW12 wouldn't happen as it is so different.
The whole reason why there isn't open competition is that it would drive the cost up too high for current conditions and lead to tiny fields or a few top teams with pathetic, several laps down, mid to back packers. Hopefully as the series rebuilds there can be full car/engine competition again with no equilisation formulas. I will be very disappointed if engine manf's are granted rule breaks to allow them to be competitive this year. I hate that about sportscar racing, I like a straight up race where whoever builds the best mouse trap wins.
I am glad the Delta Wing didn't get chosen, the idea that it needs a tricky electronic differential to turn properly turns me off of the concept entirely. All their "eco warrior" ranting, especially Dan Partel, talking about how a 650hp IRL car with unaerodynamic wheels hanging out in the wind is enviromentally disgusting, especially with soliders dying in Iraq, made me permantly give that group the thumbs down. The idea that an Indycar can't help engineers learn about saving fuel and gaining efficiency unless it has a motorcycle sized motor with less power than an Atlantics car is totally untrue.
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The thing I liked about the Delta Wing was the engine wasn't a stressed member. It seems like that would open up the possibilities to more engine manufacturers, and the discussion of the global spec engine formula played well with me as well.
As for the electronic diff, wasn't there an article that stated they did most of their calculations without without the need for the e-diff and that it will simply augment the car's "natural" performance abilities rather than totally control it.
Based on the detailed photo's published on Speed, the engine bay is an old style tube frame. What would worry me for LeMans is quick access to the transmission which is often changed during the race. I believe Audi had a trans replacement down to less than 10 minutes at one point.
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They banned them from doing complete transmission changes a few years ago, they are allowed to pop open the casing of the gearbox and replace all the cogs and shafts but thats not too practical. Back in the late 1990s Toyota managed to change an entire gearbox and keep the lead without losing a lap IIRC (the guys who worked on it were mostly ex-rally mechanics so they were fairly well drilled in that sort of thing)Based on the detailed photo's published on Speed, the engine bay is an old style tube frame. What would worry me for LeMans is quick access to the transmission which is often changed during the race. I believe Audi had a trans replacement down to less than 10 minutes at one point.
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"Ultimately DeltaWing doesn't want to embarrass any of the establishment and they worked in conjunction with the ACO to establish a practical lap time to demonstrate the concept. Thereffore the car's lap time is pegged between a LMP1 and LMP2 at Le Mans and designer Ben Bowlby has limited the DeltaWing to a top speed of only 300 km/h in order to further comply with that parameter."
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/newsmarch12.html
If the ACO is slowing them down, I wonder what the projected lap time and top speed is?
"Ultimately DeltaWing doesn't want to embarrass any of the establishment and they worked in conjunction with the ACO to establish a practical lap time to demonstrate the concept. Thereffore the car's lap time is pegged between a LMP1 and LMP2 at Le Mans and designer Ben Bowlby has limited the DeltaWing to a top speed of only 300 km/h in order to further comply with that parameter."
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/newsmarch12.html
If the ACO is slowing them down, I wonder what the projected lap time and top speed is?
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