We won't see this anymore...probably. It was just a matter of time to happen a tragedy like Vegas this year
We won't see this anymore...probably. It was just a matter of time to happen a tragedy like Vegas this year
They stayed two abreast and knew how to do it.
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Other than 20/20 hindsight and whipping a topic that's been talked about for months what new ground is broken here and what is the point?
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I think we knew all along that all those open wheels so close together was going to be a problem one day. But hey, the fans wanted close racing, and that's what they got.
This is part of why I was glad to see some limited road racing creep into the series. It was too much stress watching 15 of those things a year. They were great, but it was too intense and the stakes were too high. About halfway through summer I was wrung out. I can imagine the driver were a bit whacked by then too.
Of course, when they finally did something to break up the pack racing, Scott and Dario were all over the media apologizing for the poor racing. Now the new car is supposed to break up the pack racing but maintain close racing. No wonder they have struggled to get the thing to work.
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They couldn't get around each other. The cars were pigs.
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Yes, and they are no longer in use, hence my question a couple of posts ago.Originally Posted by railroad
I'm getting good. Before I opened the thread I guessed "YouTube video. 2004. Chicagoland."
Right. Off by a few years. Right.
Damn, TF, you've become predictable.
Hence my use of 'were', as in past tense.
I went to a Chicago race a few years ago- very entertaining- hope they come back soon
despite all the commentators constantly reminding us that "any time open wheel cars touch wheels, cars go flying", the fact of the matter is at least 90 percent of the time cars run into each other on the big tracks, they don't go flying.....
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Lets do a quick Risk-benefit analysis.
risks-obvious, cars running that close. Obvious until Dan dies.
benefits- hey, i find it very entertaining, but apparently I'm alone, because race after race the stands are empties and TVs tuned elsewhere
so lets try something else.
"Unfortunately, the business types who now permeate the sport don't share this same gut centered devotion. I can only hope that the truly addicted will prevail, and that the original spirit of open wheel competition will somehow manage to survive and prosper into the future."
-Dr. Stephen Olvey
Very exciting, I have to admit, and the cars could pass a little bit. Good crowd too, but that was the last year ISC included IndyCar tickets in the NASCAR package. The 2010 crowd was minute in comparison.
Wanker!
0:19
The crowd actually looked decent...at an ISC track...
As was previously stated, thanks to ISC selling NASCAR season tickets in an attempt to prop up the IRL, prolong the split and let their competition cotinue to shoot themselves in the foot. They win.
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No doubt date changes and economy hurt attendance at these. The biggest hurt attendance wise during this period was indycar's first attempt at creating separation. When they altered the rules and allowed the red car teams to get an edge, it just killed good crowds at Kansas, Kentucky,Richmond , Miami. Texas has never truly recovered attendance wise from 2 clunker separation races during this time frame.
Yep - I was there and had a dozen people tell me they wouldn't be back.
No pleasing some folks
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I took three friends that have never seen an IndyCar race and they absolutely loved it.Yep - I was there and had a dozen people tell me they wouldn't be back.
No pleasing some folks
My son and I enjoyed it, anyway.
There is no such thing as good pack racing.
I'd much rather see great oval races of the 80s and 90s, where drivers had to lift and acelerate than the maxed out, foot to the floor pack racing shown in this thread.
The video is of the 2009 race.
There is a series that runs at Chicagoland that has cars where the drivers have to lift and accelerate.
That was a very late and very chilly night but the crowd was very good.
Yet according to Robin Miller the week after this race "If those grandstands hold 65,000, then I'd say they might have been a third full". You know, he did flunk out of Ball State.
Looks similar to my own videos of that race.
My first Indy 500 was 1973, haven't missed one since 1981. To date I have attended 35 Indy 500's, and probably 100 or so other IndyCar races (CART & IRL).
Stop posting stuff like this, we will all have to realize how far down Indycar has gone in just a couple years.
Last edited by doitagain; 12-28-2011 at 03:11 PM.
Should someone post footage of Michigan 99, 89, 79 just to remind you that the above videos are from deep in the pooper?
Chris
Those that use the "pedal-to-the-floor racing isn't real racing" argument, have IndyCars ever had to lift at Michigan?
Or maybe the Michigan irl races that TS or Alex Barron won. Some of that street festival fan much desired separation in those classics.
Tiny super speedway wings and 230+ foot to the floor at Michigan and Fontana comes across far different than on the 1.5 milers. I'd take Indycars on either of them over any of the 1.5 mile tracks. I've generally disliked open wheel cars on them and don't see that changing.
Some of you folks need to rememner that TF doesn't go in for namecalling. Keep it civil, please.
Plus all this split-crap gives us the blues.
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