People act like she's a Marty Roth or milka. She was on PKV racing, and she was 3rd driver on a team that servia, damatta, vasser all struggled to get results on. She WAS moved up a bit quick and for being tossed in a car that powerfull so fast, she did decent. After that she was thrown to the 2nd dale Coyne car. The WORST seat in openwheel racing.
I wouldnt worry too much about her pace since they made the DW12 nice and slow.
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Well here's the two things all the detractors can't ignore. Supposedly Kat went out and got herself a sponsor willing to sign her to a multi-year contract something that other "More deserving" drivers haven't done. The other thing is if Kat leads a few laps and finishes third in the Indy 500 the mainstream sports press will pick that story up, where as unless Graham Rahal wins two or three races in a row this year his name won't be mentioned on ESPN for more that a few seconds. Thems the facts, don't have to like them, but they are what they are.
Throwing her in with Roth and Duno is a bit unfair, IMO. When she gets her ride I'll think again. IMO, she is way overrated, but Champ Car is tough to go on and her equipment in DTM would make Conquest look like a race winning organization...
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Mc Donald is an idiot. Kat is a racer and a driver not afraid to bump wheels. Anyone who actually watched a Champ car race can tell you that. I have seen with my own eyes this woman race cars more powerful than the current one or the old one. Was she brought up to early? Maybe. Did she make some bold moves that maybe she shouldn't have? Sure. Will she be rusty after being out of single seaters since 08? Maybe. However there is no doubt in my mind she belongs in Indycar. I can also tell you that the last team she race for was not that good. Hell her Dale Coyne machine wasn't even painted the first half of CC's last season. RANT OFF
Legge: 6 top ten finishes in 2 years, 22 races (would've been 7 if not for her wing failure at Road America with 6 laps to go while battling for 5th)
Roth & Duno: No top tens, EVER in a combined 60-some races.
Legge led 12 laps at Milwaukee.
Roth & Duno: No laps led, EVER.
Legge: Even when not top 10, she finished on the lead lap many times.
Roth & Duno: Not 100% certain, but I don't think either one of them EVER finished on the lead lap, not even once. Roth & Duno were routinely retired by race officials because they were so far off the pace they were a hazard.
Legge won 3 races in Atlantics in 1 season.
Duno skipped feeder series altogether somehow, and Roth never won a single race in TEN YEARS in the various versions of the Indy Lights series.
Legge had a big learning curve her first year, and spun or made contact too many times, but lots of drivers do and considering her lack of experience she got up to speed pretty quickly. And she showed more cojones than many seasoned male drivers after her Road America crash; when half the crowd were sure she was probably dead or crippled, minutes later she smiled for the cameras and declared she'd like to get back in a car and finish the race. That's a racer.
Her second year, she had SEVEN DNFs due to mechanical failures, and 3 retirements due to contact (some her fault, some not), so her point total is NOT good evidence of how far she had come since her first year. In the rest of the 2007 races she had 2 top tens, and every other race she finished on the lead lap.
So, when you look past simple numbers, there's absolutely no comparison at all.
I said all of this (and more) elsewhere, and wouldn't have had to type it up again if you'd have just followed the bloody link. But there you go.
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Now do the same with these stats:
Nevermind, I'll save you the trouble of compiling those numbers. Dead last in darn near every race she ran over three seasons with three different teams.
Dead last in the season standings amongst the drivers that ran the full season.
She can't beat the "Stars" of German Touring Cars. She's not worthy.
But she sure is cute...
Just put her in a car and see how she goes.
My guess is she'll be faster than Ed Carpenter on a road or street course.
How about we give her a chance because it seems she's going to get one anyway.
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The Indianapolis 500. Where Milk doesn't just taste like Milk. It tastes like Immortality.
My guess is that at best she's in Paul Tracy terrritory with a partial deal and either a team or her people are scrambling to shore it up.
She can't be any worse than the other women in the series.
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As far as what the paddock thinks about her....I side with Sam Hornish....I'm not here to make friends!
Not sure what a Katherine Legge thread has to do with Danica, but you are more wrong about DP than the author is about Kat....IMO
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Are you saying winning Daytona in the 70's is the same as winning Daytona now? All those legends you mentioned would wonder what the heck you are saying. Restrictor plates and holding on to the wheel and gas pedal while your partner pushes you. No talent required. Its not real racing like it was back then. Its an entertainment platform now.
Not there to make friends, fair enough. Just pointing out that multiple drivers have had issues with her and that will be the case in Nascar as well.
Her first 3 years: 12th, 9th, 7th in a field of 16 full timers. Wow! I grant her that she took care of her equipment pretty well over her career and stayed out of trouble and in most cases lucked into her finishing positions. She had a handful of races where she ran really well, but they were all ovals and you could throw almost every driver out there into AA equipment or RLR equipment at the time and they would have a couple good runs. She was decent on ovals but no good on R-S, could not help her team at all with the cars, knew nothing about them and she drove for top teams her entire career and comes up with One fuel milage win in 7 years of competitions which equals a very average driver at the very best.
The writer brought up Danica when talking about Katherine, hoping the next female driver could be as good a driver as she was and I pointed out how incorrect he was. So I think the post was quite relevant.
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She'll never even sniff a top ten...
EDIT: Yes, I stand corrected, she led 5 laps at Chicagoland, probably stayed out when everyone pitted (which may have been how Legge got her 12 laps). But I would be very surprised if that wasn't the only freak occurrence of Milka leading, and I think on top of everything else, leading less than half as many laps as Kat in twice as many races doesn't put Milka in the same catagory
EDIT 2: Kat's lead did start by staying out when the leaders pitted, but after 2 laps leading under yellow, she held the lead for 10 laps under green; Duno led 4 yellow flag laps and was swallowed up by the pack within 2 laps once under green, leading only 1. So even their leading in one race is no comparison.
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Oh, never mind.
Doitagain, I think you're getting really carried away with censoring posts, IMO. What was wrong with my posts? or any of them, really, that they need to be eliminated altogether? The only thing I think anyone said that's really out of line is calling me a jerk and ignorant and insulting my hometown. It was obvious they hadn't bothered to read the article or my comments (and as a matter of fact emphatically refused to) and their only intention was to tell me my opinion couldn't possibly be valid, using arguments I had already addressed if they had read them. I think a bit of indignation and sarcasm is perfectly understandable. I didn't escalate and things seemed under control. Are we adults here, or what?
You and others dissing Legge seem to be assuming that I'm saying she's a great driver, or even a good driver. I never said that. I said that she is not nearly as bad as McDonald says she is, she's no safety hazard and it's a slander to compare her to Roth and Duno, and I explained why. So, therefore I say she's earned at least a chance to prove she belongs. The Legge-bashers have not really bothered to thoughtfully counter any of the actual arguments I've made, they've basically just said "she sucks" in one way or another, without explaining why their conclusion should be accepted over mine.
I think we should wait and give Katherine a chance. Same with Pippa as well. Let them each run a full season or two and then decide whether they're good drivers or not.
Absolutely cannot stand any female driver being compared to Milka. I don't think any one of the ladies has had as little talent as her.