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Last edited by doitagain; 12-19-2012 at 07:04 AM.
And so we came to Road America where we burned up at the lake, but at the speedway of Nazareth I made no mistake
"The only thing Danica did good in her career was take care of her cars. She didnt tear up alot of equipment after her first couple of years. But she had NO work ethic, she knew nothing about the race cars and therefore could not help her team, she did nothing but scream at her strategist instead of giving proper driver feedback (which is something you do when you dont know anything about the machine you are driving). "
Racing Stewart you clearly no very little about Danica or Indycar by those above silly inacurate comments above. Danica has beat or bested every record or achievement ever set by all female drivers who came before her in Indycar and now doing the same in Nascar. She Is the most successfull female driver in auto racing history at this time and posters like you trying to trash what she has done only make yourself look bad or misinformed. Comparing other female drivers to Danica is like comparing a buick to a ferrari based on what other females have or havent done compared to Danica and now she is setting records in Nascar as well. Danica isnt who she is because she poses in bathing suits, commercials etc, she is in commercials and photo shoots because she IS competitive and
that IS what drew those people to her as Godaddy founder has said many times what drew him to go after her was her competitiveness etc. Others have also said that you cant just put any pretty female in a bathing suit and then a race car and expect the same results, that for almost 10 yrs now has attracted mainstream america, the GP and the press more then any other Indycar driver and now most Nascar drivers today also. Her debut in the 500 in ' 05 is what started her fame as no other female has ever done anything close to that almost winning the 500 qualifying & finishing 4th as a rookie and a 3rd as well yrs later and all the rest top 10 or better every yr. and as comparison for the record Guthrie and St James best finish at the 500 was 9th----for starters--of the records Danica has set.
Danica has set the bar for all other females to beat but looking at the current crop of females in Indycar I doubt any of those can even best one of her records and there are many. Also Danica is who she is because obviously all the fans love her fiery attitude and the facts she isnt a phony as she tells it like it is and thats whats made her the most popular driver EVER and now IN Nascar as well. BTW keep criticizing her fuel mileage win but you may want to criticize all the male drivers who got those as well. Its not the 1 win that makes her famous, its all the records, and being more competitive then any other female EVER and lots of male drivers as well.
Talking about Andretti, if you watched her races in Indycar IF Andretti knew how to make a car fast to compete with Penske and Ganassi she would have more wins but that team was rarely fast enough to catch the top teams back then and anyone watching some of the oval races know that and she beat her teammates lots iof times and some of them like TK couldnt handle that either. M andretti is only mad at her now also because when she left he lost a bunch of sponsor $$'s and everyone knows that as well.
Heres a fact--most male drivers in Indycar are Ok with a female driver in their series, as most arent competitive anyway, but Danica clearly WAS competitive and the more guys she beat every race the jealousy took over and many didnt like her for that as their friends probably razzing them when they got beat by a girl and thats the real story. She is in Nascar now and always saying how great all the Nascar drivers have welcomed her, helped her and befriended her as well in comparison. Those of you who feel you have to try and put down all that Danica has achieved only look foolish as her records and achievements are open for the racing world to see and believe me they all know what some of you fail to see of her being the most successfull and most popular female ever in Indycar at this time --and yet every time another female driver topic is brought up you feel the need to compare them to Danica--a waste of time as there is nothing to compare--yet anyway--maybe someday --end of story. Happy Holidays
Last edited by racer1; 12-19-2012 at 11:27 PM.
The only funny persons here are the ones who keep acting like Danica didnt achieve anything in Indycar and the fact some cant see that IS laughable.
Back when Andretti was AGR when Danica first signed with them they were actually fairly compeitive and won lots of races, but then when Green left and it was just AA the team went to crap as most would say and had lots of problems getting their cars up to the speed of the Penske and Ganassi and even some smaller teams back then. After that change most other Andretti drivers only won races because the better teams Penske and Ganassi drivers had issues--period. Ive saw Racing Stewarts remarks for some time now and his comments are almost like some haters that used to be on this forum as he rarely says anything postive given she is the best female Indycar driver of all time--facts and stats dont lie. His remarks show his dislike of Danica like others here who fail to see anything she has achieved as mentioned that the record books clearly show. Conways win was a fluke for sure and there were others as well and when Danica had a good chance to win like at Texas or Homestead the Penske or Ganassi drivers cars simply outran her every time and those are facts if you watched any races as everyone knows it as it wasnt a secret that Andretti cars were always looking for speed to compete with the top teams back then. AA cars were dogs--period-and when they knew Danica was leaving in 2011 they never gave her a car worth anything that yr and Danicas last 2011 Indy500 quals where none of the reg drivers qualified untill only 2 of them on bump day, that clearly showed the inability of the Andretti team to set up a car for sure and despite the slow qualifying cars she managed another top 10 in her final 500 race with aq lousy car and thats the story with Andretti racing..
Keep putting down Danica if it makes you feel good but facts dont lie and if you trash Danica for all she achieved then you might as well tell the other females in Indycar who have achieved nothing to quit wasting fuel and tires and to stay home because everything they do or dont do will be compared to Danica for the forseeable future and thats probably what bothers some of you the most? She was the best female driver EVER in Indycar and why she got a ride in Nascar and IS breaking records there as well. Facts are some of you here are disrespectfull of a female driver who actually achieved something, 1 win, 20 top 5's, 61 top 10's numerous other records, out of 7 yrs of racing. Indycar has NO-one now that the mainstream media cares about any longer since she left, but Indycars loss IS Nascars gain and thats why most are upset Iam sure. BTW--Danica has never been disrespectfull of Indycar as she always says its what made her career and the 500 is still her dream etc and while she likes driving stock cars it doesnt mean she should be criticized for what she achieved in indycar. She actually admitted recently that she left Indycar mainly because of more & more twisties on the schedule as she prefers Ovals, as most knew anyway. HO HO HO
Last edited by racer1; 12-20-2012 at 02:05 AM.
Financially she's the most successful. As far as competition is concerned, Shirley Muldowney is clearly the greatest female racer with Michele Mouton coming in second. But anyways, carry on, I guess.She Is the most successfull female driver in auto racing history at this time and posters like you trying to trash what she has done only make yourself look bad or misinformed.
"Financially she's the most successful. As far as competition is concerned, Shirley Muldowney is clearly the greatest female racer with Michele Mouton coming in second. But anyways, carry on, I guess."
I get your point about Shirley as I watched her back then, as well as many other winning females in drag racing. AUTO RACING in general, to most discussing it assumes its about major series twistie or oval race tracks, and not really a 1/4 mile drag strip or shorter now since they changed it yrs ago. I wasnt trying to suggest Danica was the best female driver in any and all forms of racing whereby a 1/4 mile track was included in that remark as generally speaking when others have said that about Danica its usually understood to mean major series Auto Racing as in Indycar or Nascar etc and doesnt include Drag racing as thats a completely different type of racing to most. As one reported commented in a story to alot of people she asked the only female race car driver they know IS Danica so thats that.
Iam a big NHRA fan as well but this forum and thread is about Indycar moreso and I didnt feel the need to explain that with my comments. Ask people in a crowd to name an Auto racing female driver and they will say Danica most the time, then ask them who a female drag racer is and they will probably say Ashley Force although she isnt racing anymore or Melany Troxel or Courtney force and Erica Enders also etc etc--but it is different type of racing, and doesnt necessarily fall under the general discussion of auto racing except to some like yourself I guess.. This just shows how tough Nascar or Indycar is for females to have success in compared to NHRA which lots of females have success but its way different type racing as Iam a big John Force fan myself.
What is even more hilarious is that his thread is about Katherine Legge and not Danica Patrick, yet it has become about Danica Patrick.
that's because Danica is a known commodity, an internationally known “brand”…something Legge has not, nor ever will be. Danica brought a lot to INDYCar and INDYCar got her best years (kind of like leasing a car)…the writer is dead-on when he says women race car drivers are no longer a curiosity and they need to be competitive to be taken seriously…again, something Legge has yet to do….
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Not a great season. Not even a particularly good one, but it proves -- especially under the circumstances -- that she can handle herself on the track and compete at racing speed, and is no hazard. The original point is now proven, no matter how many times her critics move the goalposts. To dispute that point is absurd. Notice I didn't say she is better than anyone else out there, or that she will finish higher than she has. I happen to think both are true, but that's not the point. She has proven she deserves her spot on the grid, to sink or swim on her own. Period.
Thus, this thread is ripe for locking, if a mod cares to look. If someone wants to debate Legge's relative skill or lack thereof, or women drivers in general, START A NEW THREAD. This horse is dead.
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