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Ill take some of what youre smoking Jimmy.
If you have a driver who has "showed potential" in a handful of races, yet in a total of 5 seasons of top tier series has managed to finish dead last 100% of the time, why would you want that driver?
Cause she had a pole in an irrelevant series and a track record? or cause she had one or two runs that didnt put her at the tail of the field every year?
Even if you make the argument that she has the potential (which personally, i dont think so) the time for her being on a new team and trying to show her potential was 10 years ago, not now at 31.
We will miss you Dan
And she had actually had as many top tens in CCWS as finishes at the tail end of the field, and, as I have clearly pointed out, fully half of her races were wiped out by mechanical DNFs or contact that was someone else's fault. Her record outside DTM is respectable. Even when she finished near the back, there were usually a couple cars running behind her and a majority of the time she was on the lead lap, so she was almost never "dead last" in any sense of the word, either of running cars or final finish. You certainly cannot say she did this by cruising and just putting around like Milka. She pushed hard, every race, and when she was at the back it was usually because she had spun pushing hard or had a mechanical problem (or had simply started there because of her freely-admitted difficulty qualifying in ChampCars).
She has already shown her potential as recently as five years ago with several (not one or two) strong drives in 2007 (I count four in 2007 alone, to include her strong top ten before late contact with Jani at Houston, and Mt. Tremblant, where she was on track for a top five before she hit a curb, bent the suspension and dropped just out of the top 10 bust still finished on the lead lap; 2006 had at least that number of strong drives, her 8th at Cleveland included a flat tyre and unscheduled pit stop). In 2007, when her car wasn't catching on fire, wheels weren't falling off (twice in one weekend), and hotshots weren't punting her into the tires -- Clarke got probation, Will "nothing's my fault" Power admitted he made a bonehead move at Surfer's Paradise, at Toronto she was one of five cars taken out on the first lap, the car directly in front launched into the air and the car behind rammed into her, so clearly nothing she could have done -- when this kind of stuff wasn't happening, she was racy and solid, moving up, not back.
Your opinion is based on vague, inaccurate impressions, not fact. DTM could be debated, but I consider it is obvious that past open wheel performance is a better indicator of what she can do than touring cars.
Three races in 2012, three misfiring engines (how can you continue to ignore that?), with almost no testing and rain-shortened practice. And she has still thoroughly dusted Milka's best road course performance of four seasons. At St. Pete and Barber, even with a sour engine, Kat was within 2 seconds of the leaders (and at St. Pete never got lapped on the track). The only thing Milka was ever within two seconds of on a road course was the safety car. Ovals? She did better in her one oval race (her first ever) than Milka ever managed in four seasons.
She was pretty much a failure at DTM, yes, but she has some pretty decent company there.
JimmyB10 - you're seeing the glass half full, others see it half empty. You choose to emphasize her successes, others her failures. Both can be felt to be correct.
I think a reasonable view is that she was ok in Atlantics against a weak field, she was mediocre in Champ Car, she was bad in DTM, and she has been questionable so far in IndyCar. I understand that she has been challenged by her equipment, but hasn't really shown any flashes of performance, at least not that I can recognize.
I also can't really believe you're not a big fan of hers - you know way to many details of her career to just be an semi-interested participant in this discussion. You have cherry-picked the good and chosen to ignore the bad.
I know you see potential in her. I wonder how you rate her compared to drivers lacking funds to be on the grid. Drivers like Pantano, Baguette, Filippi (perhaps he'll show up), Carroll and Guerrieri.
I just went back and read the article that started this whole thread and there is not even a hint of the author bashing Legge. Nothing. It is a respecrtful fact driven article that raises some questions. Just like a good article should be.
Perhaps it's not the 99% of TF members who disagree with you who are "on drugs" or "simple-minded" like you put it Jimmy, but rather you, who is so delusional in some kind of a weird obsession over a female driver, that you overlook reality in evaluating her talent...
Within the facts and reasoning I have presented, point to a delusion. Something more specific than "she's terrible, can't you see that?" which has been asked and throughly answered many times. If you have nothing substantive to answer the mountain of evidence I have presented, please just give it a rest.
a) 50/50 agree/disagree on Kat Legge with you would be a vast overstatement. I'd say its more like 20 agree/80 disagree
b) There have been SEVERAL (I would argue MOST) comments specifying certain aspects of her career and people stating things beyond "she's terrible, can't you see that", but you either clearly don't remember these posts or continue to ignore them outright. I along with other people have countered your "mountain of evidence"; we have thoroughly and factually deconstructed your mountain into a molehill, yet it continues to not be enough for you or make sense to you.
Your counter arguments have been ripe with red herring and straw man arguments. They just don't hold water.
We know you like Kat. That's fine. That doesn't mean we have to.
Finally, and I would like to hear your answer on this so I will repeat my question: why it is that she has been beaten by every single teammate she has ever had, including the 5 current Lotus drivers, since she started racing in top tiered series?
We are not talking about Milka, Marty, Dr. Jack or even Pippa here. We are talking about a driver who was considered by a majority of the racing community as a rising star before DTM, not a field filler or a ride buyer. She joined ChampCar against her own better judgment in 2006 at Kalkhoven's insistence, having stated publicly before and after that she wanted another year in Atlantics. Who could say no to a ride in the big cars? I am not calling her a star or a great driver, I am merely asking that she be given a fair shake and be judged on her actual performance on the track with the equipment she has been given, not superficial impressions and point totals.
In GP2 Asia he raced in 16 races and had 6 top 10 finishes.
And Kimball was not bad at all. 2010 Indylights 13 races with 8 top 5 finishes.
Answer me this. Can you picture these posters all making the same persistent, vehement arguments that Kimball, Jakes, Moraes, etc. are awful drivers who have no business in IndyCar? I personally don't think so.
What about persistent, vehement arguments that are pro-Legge? I don't see anyone coming to her rescue or defense NEAR as much as you. Most people are like me - their opinion is "she deserves a shot, but based on her track record, i wouldn't expect much. also, there are more deserving drivers on the sidelines that deserve the ride more than her, but she got it cuz she's female and brings cash and can turn heads"
Why are you saying that? The article said no such thing. Show us the quote.the article that started the whole thread said she shouldn't be given a license and allowed on the track at all, for safety reasons
At the risk of incurring doitagain's wrath, I will tell you that your posts make you appear to be a real jerk. From what I know of the Net and the effects of online anonymity in breaking down normal inhibitions and common courtesy, I hope that is not true, but I am not encouraged one bit by your attitude.
You know what Jimmy. You are not Kat any favors with this thread. Nobody was complaing about her until you came along.
McDonald says Legge has no business on an IndyCar track, should not be given a license for safety reasons, and explicitly compares her to Milka and Marty. That is bashing in the extreme.
If you are saying such nonsense just to get a reaction from me, go get a life, dude. If not, you need professional help of some kind. Please seek it.
Somebody quote me.
The article does not say that. Show us the quote.