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    Question About the Fuel Injection on the Cup Cars Cammy..............

    Is it throttle body or what? Will it be easy to cheat or harder?
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    Looks like port injection.

    http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs...b-94c306baf5ff

    Wish the pictures were larger in the article.
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    It's a Holey TB, with a McLaren ECU.
    It's very limited, and only time will tell if it's easily cheatable.
    I think you'll probably see a bunch of "Rules Clearifications" this year, and probably 2 or 3 at Daytona.
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    They call it "electronic fuel injection" but isn't throttle body fuel injection just a step more advanced than a carburetor?

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    Holley makes the throttle body, Bosch makes the O2 sensors, it is sequential multi-port injection just like production cars and McLaren supplies a spec ECU with a "tuning range" in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uh_clem View Post
    They call it "electronic fuel injection" but isn't throttle body fuel injection just a step more advanced than a carburetor?
    TBI= Toilet Bowl Injection.

    NASCAR has finally made it to 1980's technology

    D-R, It's not "cheating" it's creative rule interpertation.
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    Sorry milliesdad, it is NOT Throttle Body Injection....it is port fuel injection.
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    WTF, O?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakester View Post
    Sorry milliesdad, it is NOT Throttle Body Injection....it is port fuel injection.
    I stand corrected. I'm really not much of a NASCAR fan.

    They are finally up to the late 80's, early 90's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milliesdad View Post
    I stand corrected. I'm really not much of a NASCAR fan.

    They are finally up to the late 80's, early 90's.
    AKA, Glacial Swiftness...

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    How many sensors in this system? Back in the Stone Age - 1991 - Polaris introduced EFI on their snowmobiles which had 5 sensors to vary the map. I believe they are up to 18 variables now.

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    Here's what they should have done:


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    Article from Gordon Kirby on the development:

    http://www.gordonkirby.com/categorie..._is_no324.html

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    Yesterday's Cup race at PIR had some interesting fuel injection issues...

    McMurray's car blew up after running out of fuel on track and a pit stop. Same thing happened to another driver, don't remember who. Judging from all of the white smoke produced via the exhaust the cause appeared to be a holed piston after the car leaned out as a result of fuel starvation.

    Tony Stewart shut off the engine to save fuel and the car would not restart. It looked like a power off reset cleared the ECU problem but the announcers didn't confirm this.

    I think there will be some painful lessons learned as the season goes on.

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    I could see the injectors failing by starving them of fuel, but I don't know about "blowing" an engine because of it. Was there more of an explanation? I suppose if one was running lean, that could lead to a hot spot on the piston, detonation and then a holed piston or damaged rings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midtown View Post
    I could see the injectors failing by starving them of fuel, but I don't know about "blowing" an engine because of it. Was there more of an explanation? I suppose if one was running lean, that could lead to a hot spot on the piston, detonation and then a holed piston or damaged rings.
    That's exactly what I am saying. And I guess the definition of "blown" can be subjective...when it's pumping out white smoke and the car isn't going fast anymore I'm calling it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrrr View Post
    That's exactly what I am saying. And I guess the definition of "blown" can be subjective...when it's pumping out white smoke and the car isn't going fast anymore I'm calling it done.
    I guess we agree...it just took a couple of sentences to get there.

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