This year, despite it all, we do need to remind fans that we're faster

[PenelopePitstop]

Why can't you answer the question? Is it because it will disprove your whole point?

I've answered your question already. Indycars are faster in a direct comparison. No problem.

I get what you are stating...but I don't see how it is truly relevant or what is your ultimate point to all of this? Be honest, does your methodology really mean anything?

The relevance is simple. The title of the thread says we must remind everyone that Indycar is faster. But while you are driving your Porsche in city traffic, that Chevy Malibu is rolling along at higher speeds. Turn13 said that SPEED is a major factor in keeping his interest. NASCAR fans agree, so they watch the cars that are more often traveling at the higher speed.

THAT is relevant.

[TimmyZ1]

I've answered your question already. Indycars are faster in a direct comparison. No problem.The relevance is simple. The title of the thread says we must remind everyone that Indycar is faster. But while you are driving your Porsche in city traffic, that Chevy Malibu is rolling along at higher speeds. Turn13 said that SPEED is a major factor in keeping his interest. NASCAR fans agree, so they watch the cars that are more often traveling at the higher speed.

THAT is relevant.

I can't figure out if most of your posts are trolling to start arguments or you actually believe in your half-baked ideas.

[PenelopePitstop]

I can't figure out if most of your posts are trolling to start arguments or you actually believe in your half-baked ideas.

Stay tuned for a race by race breakdown of which series puts a faster product onto the track in 2012. The result will likely surprise you.

[Turn13]

... while you are driving your Porsche in city traffic, that Chevy Malibu is rolling along at higher speeds...

Without giving too much away, I can tell you that 50 mph around a 50' radius corner on a city street is much more exhilirating than 55 mph on a 3500' radius on a five-lane highway

[Turn13]

For every second that the track is green in 2012, NASCAR racers will, on average, be faster than Indycar racers.

Do you dispute this?

No, NASCAR has faster tracks; IndyCar has faster cars. I like faster cars more than I like faster tracks. But I realize for some folks it's all about the pavement For others, it's what's running on it that's more interesting.

[PenelopePitstop]

Without giving too much away, I can tell you that 50 mph around a 50' radius corner on a city street is much more exhilirating than 55 mph on a 3500' radius on a five-lane highway

While it may be more exhilerating, it is still slower.

Are we going to measure the season by pole, fastest lap or race average?

[open wheeler]

No, NASCAR has faster tracks; IndyCar has faster cars. I like faster cars more than I like faster tracks. But I realize for some folks it's all about the pavement For others, it's what's running on it that's more interesting.

Sideways in dirt with 800 hp!

[Doyouloveit?]

Stay tuned for a race by race breakdown of which series puts a faster product onto the track in 2012. The result will likely surprise you.

But again, the question must be asked, does it really matter? Is this a NASCAR sanctioned stat you are forumlating? If it mattered so much, why hasn't NASCAR used it? "We would like to point out to the audience that NASCAR is average a speed of 150 mph @ Talledega while Indycar is average a speed of 95 mph at a temporary road course in St. Pete. Obvious these speeds aren't comparable but hell any average race fan should know that."

[Turn13]

Sideways in dirt with 800 hp!

Yep - proof that even slower tracks can be more fun, with a faster car

[PenelopePitstop]

No, NASCAR has faster tracks; IndyCar has faster cars. I like faster cars more than I like faster tracks. But I realize for some folks it's all about the pavement For others, it's what's running on it that's more interesting.

This isn't about what you like and it isn't about what is more interesting. It is about which series' racing is done at higher speeds over the course of their respective seasons.

I prefer Indycar, too, but since they have chosen to run on slower courses, their product (speed) suffers in comparison to NASCAR's product (more speed).

[Turn13]

This isn't about what you like and it isn't about what is more interesting.

It is to me. I have no idea what you're looking for

While it may be more exhilerating, it is still slower.

Speed is relative... and emotionally subjective.

You know what you like. Enjoy

Are we going to measure the season by pole, fastest lap or race average?

Do what you want. I'm going to throw in highest speed attained, just for grins.

Most rational people would just settle for the same track comparison, I would think, using the world's most famous and storied oval track, but I realize you think differently

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a new speed record to set on the treadmill, because I heard Lance Armstrong was going to be resting for the next half-hour today I figure 6 mph oughta do it.

[PenelopePitstop]

I'm going to throw in highest speed attained, just for grins.

Be sure to include those breathtaking hairpin speeds taken in single file while you are at it. Nothing says "Indycar racing 2012" better than a good 35mph parade.

[Doyouloveit?]

Be sure to include those breathtaking hairpin speeds taken in single file while you are at it. Nothing says "Indycar racing 2012" better than a good 35mph parade.

Nothing says NASCAR better than a 180 mph parade around Daytona.

[Jakester]

I'm going to throw in highest speed attained, just for grins.

NHRA wins.*









*In the field of side by side racing. Otherwise, Bonneville or similar wins in a landslide.

[PenelopePitstop]

NHRA wins.*









*In the field of side by side racing. Otherwise, Bonneville or similar wins in a landslide.

Once you factor in all classes and determine average speed of each contest (for a split second, each competitor is officially going zero mph), it would be closer than you might think.

[9rows]

now we're averaging different kinds of cars ... on different kinds of tracks ... at different times of the year?

yeah, that makes perfect sense.

[Deutsch]

By Ms Pitstop's logic, we should all focus on watching Jumbo Jets fly across the sky, day after day...

[PenelopePitstop]

I prefer Indycar racing, but don't try to tell me they race at higher speeds than NASCAR. They don't, on avarage.

[Turn13]

I prefer Indycar racing, and don't try to tell me they don't race at higher speeds than NASCAR. They do, anywhere, anytime. And that's all that matters

[Jakester]

Once you factor in all classes and determine average speed of each contest (for a split second, each competitor is officially going zero mph), it would be closer than you might think.

NHRA Top Fuel: On the record ET run, Del Worsham averaged 183 mph.

But the proposed metric was top speed, which for TF would be 327.90 mph by Tony Schumacher (no relation to Michael).

Waiting for the average speed calculation.......

[Turn13]

Top Fuel is cool

It'd be even cooler if they did a loop and ran back the other way, though... I wonder if an IndyCar would beat 'em doing that... they would beat the hellalujah out of a CoT

[SamC]

By Ms Pitstop's logic, we should all focus on watching Jumbo Jets fly across the sky, day after day...

Umm, no that would be the "logic" of the OP.

[Turn13]

Umm, no that would be the "logic" of the OP.

No, because faster on the same track is different than faster in the sky How fast can a 747 take T1?

Wonder why Darrell Waltrip didn't call his book "My Life in America's Rubbingest Sport"?

[PenelopePitstop]

No, because faster on the same track is different than faster in the sky How fast can a 747 take T1?

Wonder why Darrell Waltrip didn't call his book "My Life in America's Rubbingest Sport"?

Adding Milwaukee to the schedule has helped Indycar go a little faster this year. They will still be competing at lower speeds than Cup cars over the course of the season.

[Turn13]

Adding Milwaukee to the schedule has helped Indycar go a little faster this year. They will still be competing at lower speeds than Cup cars over the course of the season.

IndyCars are always faster than Cup cars - Cup cars just don't race on tracks that are as difficult to go fast on.

[PenelopePitstop]

IndyCars are always faster than Cup cars - Cup cars just don't race on tracks that are as difficult to go fast on.

So what? The product (racing) they present is faster. They are smart enough to give their customers a faster product than Indycar does. Blame the schedule-makers.

[Todd Gack]

So what? The product (racing) they present is faster.

Indy-Cars accelerate out of their pit-boxes faster then stock cars.

And their safety teams drive faster to get to crash sites then stock cars do.

So that is something.

[Jim Wilke]

So what? The product (racing) they present is faster. They are smart enough to give their customers a faster product than Indycar does. Blame the schedule-makers.

Watch a few seconds of each of these:

[Billy Chin]

Watch a few seconds of each of these:

PP's position on this has been both clear and accurate. On most weekends when both Nascar and Indycar are racing, the Nascar is running faster. It's a fact, regardless of how anyone wants to attempt to spin it otherwise. And, since the thread started out as an homage to the superior speed of Indycars, it's quite relevant to point out that on many weekends that premise is simply not true.

Obviously, the deck is stacked in favor of Nascar because it's overwhelmingly an oval series, while Indycar is predominantly comprised of road and street courses (but I sorta think that was Penelope's larger point). So, it seems we've reached the point where this is truly pointless. Besides, it's unseemly to watch a girl beat up a bunch of guys.

[PenelopePitstop]

Watch a few seconds of each of these:

We agree that Indycars are capable of going faster on the same track. The problem is, Indycars don't hold very many races on tracks that allow them to utilize that advantage. When the fans turn on their TVs each weekend they will most often see those Cup cars running at higher speeds than Indycars. Fact of life, product of the schedule.