Oh. So they're not racing faster than IndyCars... gotcha.Originally Posted by PenelopePitstop
Oh. So they're not racing faster than IndyCars... gotcha.
I did not say he was.
Junior was not comparing NASCAR to INDYCAR in your post. Try again.
Junior comprehends that the use of "fast/er" and "slow/er" as adverbs require context to be meaningful.
A physics professor might well 'technically' correct you in that 120 mph is a higher velocity (or speed) than 110 mph.Physics say NASCAR at 120mph is faster than INDYCAR at 110mph.
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Not quite. NASCAR will be racing around the track at lap speeds over 120mph. INDYCAR will be racing around their track at lap speeds nearing 110mph. INDYCAR will, over portions of its race track, be hitting faster speeds than NASCAR, but they will also be racing over portions of their track at speeds slower than 40mph, 80mph slower than NASCAR. Lap speeds, the standard measurement for both series' speed on the track, will be slower for INDYCAR
So braking is a bad thing?
IndyCar will race at 190 mph for a longer distance than Richmond is around
I guess that just points out what a lousy indicator of actual faster racing and maximization of potential speed a lap average is.
I went 120 mph around Texas Motor Speedway in a Honda Accord. No helmet.
You know what you like. 75% as fast, 25% slower. Enjoy!
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190 mph is greater than 120mph, is it not?
So if IndyCars are racing faster than Cup cars by such a wide margin, how are Cup cars racing faster?
They make it up in volume
On a smaller track, yet
Jabberwocky. That statement is 100% incorrect.IndyCar will race at 190 mph for a longer distance than Richmond is around
Try bringing facts to the discussion, not fantasy.
Oh, sorry, you don't know the difference.
Actually, for once you are more right than you suspect. All of that racing at speeds in the (yawn) 40-70mph range that INDYCAR spends so much time doing causes the lap speeds to plummet into the 110mph range - slower than NASCAR is lapping at.They make it up in volume
On a smaller track, yet
Like the fact that IndyCars will be running 190mph this weekend & Cup cars will not be running anything remotely close to that?
Here is the statement I say is completely false:Let's see if you have the ability to spot the falsehood in /Turn13's claim.
The falsehood is claiming that the Cup cars at RIR will be racing faster than the IndyCars at Sao Paulo.
T13 is not the one making the false claim.
Sure he is.
One last chance to see if you can recognize the false claim in Turn13's statement. I know it will be hard for you, but give it an honest try.I know you can spot the lie, but I'm 75-25 that you do not have enough integrity to tell us you do.
Do you see it? What is the lie in Turn13's statement? (I'm hoping you are honest enough make me lose the bet.)
40 pages. Unreal this has gotten 40 pages of responses.
I'd rather have 10% of the world interested in the ICS than 50% of US that NASCAR currently has
?????
Who made that claim?
Someone said that NASCAR will be lapping RIR at a higher speed than INDYCAR will be lapping the Sao Paulo temporary street circuit, but nobody made the claim that you refer to.
Ummm... you said that Cup cars will be racing faster this weekend at RIR than the IndyCars will be racing at Sao Paulo.
Have you changed your opinion on that?
RIR is less than 1 mile in length.
Well, I won the bet. Sorry, I was hoping you were better than that.
RIR is, indeed, less than 1 mile in length. Turn13 never said it wasn't.
I said that Cup cars lap speeds would be faster than INDYCAR's lap speeds this weekend, not what you claimed.
Do you not agree with my assessment?
Ohhh... average speed. Ok. Their average lap speed is higher than the average lap speed of the IndyCars at SP.
And yet the Cup cars are slower by a substantial margin.
First of all, lap speeds by definition are average speeds.
Cup cars are faster by a substantial margin when INDYCARs are negotiating the numerous tight turns on a city street course. At the end of the lap, NASCAR laps their track at a higher rate of speed than INDYCARs on their track of choice.
Yeah, because we all know all laps are created equal
I betcha the IndyCars cover a mile faster than the Cup cars do this weekend.
Yes, and they are a practically useless figure for comparing speeds by any rational standard of comparison. Especially when IndyCars are covering a range from 50 to 190 mph over a much longer and more challenging race course.
But that's like almost every weekend that they race
And the IndyCar's lap is almost, like, three times longer.
My "big lie" was probably that IndyCars don't run the entire mile-length at 190. They spend some time getting up to speed and braking. But they still spend a lot longer at higher speeds on just part of their lap than Cup cars at Richmond do.
Last edited by Turn13; 04-24-2012 at 05:50 PM.
Are you guessing or are you telling us?
I can only guess. You're better informed than am I.
Since I get to name the criteria, I'll choose "percentage of track record speed attained"That would seem to be the rational choice.
Four days ago you wanted to use lap speeds (a track record is a lap speed), citing them as a 'rational choice' in determining which series was faster. Today you are saying that those same lap speeds are practically useless for comparing those speeds rationally.
Clearly you are saying that you are irrational in your thoughts on this subject.
But I already knew that.
Last edited by PenelopePitstop; 04-24-2012 at 06:53 PM.
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and they spend a lot longer still at lower speeds on the rest of their lap (and as you pointed out, they are very long laps to be going slower on). Thus the lower lap speed for INDYCAR once again this weekend.
See you at Richmond where the laps will be run faster.
It's different if you are comparing lap speeds to the record on the same track. It's just irrational to compare wildly different track laps, as everyone but you apparently realizes.
Perhaps because you choose to live in a world without context
I don't mind comparing lap speeds to the record, because of course IndyCar is always faster, regardless, but on road courses yeah it's very misleading. Which is why using the percentage of the record is even better.
And IndyCar will spend more time at speeds above those run in Cup this weekend, and run for a greater distance at those higher speeds, than Cup does for an entire lap.
As well as going through those slower portions faster than Cup ever could.
IndyCar 98% Cup 75%
You won't see me in Richmond
You can use the lousy excuses for not doing any of those
Last edited by Turn13; 04-24-2012 at 10:03 PM.
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