I deny nothing. Indycar no-shows on Race Weekends do nothing to advance the premise of this thread. To suggest otherwise would be disingenuous. INDYCAR has alerady altered their schedule to give them one more weekend of being the faster series this year.Originally Posted by Jakester
Wrong.
I recognize every point the opposition offers except one: If you ain't out there racing on the track and lapping faster on Race Weekend, you aren't faster that weekend.
Nearly all of it.
Her point is valid. People who like high speed action are more likely to watch the high speed action they're given access to. About 30 weekends a year, often with 2-3 races each weekend, that high speed action comes from Nascar.
My point is that viewers and attendees seem to have declared that watching 3500 lb cars race at 170 is more entertaning than... well, just about everything IndyCar has to offer. 5-6 million people watch each Cup race, some of the lesser IICS races have had less viewers than IMS has seats.
The larger point is this thread should be closed and blown up. The ashes should then be collected and launched into deep space.
If there was an icon of a dead horse beating another dead horse, while a bunch of other dead horses rooted them on... that would fit in just perfect.
Maybe relocate it to Gonzoville?
Just a quick question. If a series raced twice a week, weekend and mid week, so 104 races per year, at an average of 100mph... would you then say that they are the fastest series in the world???
That's quite a contrast from the 3 high speed ovals a year IICS runs.
Penelope just wants more high speed ovals. She thinks a series with successful events at large ovals and big, full, grandstands... many events... would be better than what we have today.
Does anybody here really feel any differently?
47 pages and counting...
Pretty sure we know one person that would...
Turn13's Fit would still be the context champion according to him. I suppose he might let you ride with him on his daily commutes so you can share the exhiliration.
NASCAR raced 11 times this year and INDYCAR raced at a faster pace than NASCAR once in those 11 weekends. NASCAR 10, INDYCAR 1
NASCAR and INDYCAR both raced on four weekends this season. NASCAR 3, INDYCAR 1
Last edited by PenelopePitstop; 05-16-2012 at 10:45 AM.
I'll voice my own thoughts, thank you. My position is clear without your interpretations. If you want or think something, say it without hiding behind my skirts.
By everything she has described, yes. Just as my Honda Fit does, Monday thru Friday. VrrrooommmThat's why that is such a meaningless standard, to those who are aware and need no reminders.
It's champion according to the standard you derived to enable your claim that NASCAR is faster. It's exactly what happens when you take out the context. You did that, not me.
Unfortunately for NASCAR, I didn't watch any of those races. I have, however, paid to watch IndyCars at IMS for the last five days, and they have been faster than NASCAR has run in two decades, and of course faster than NASCAR will probably ever run at Indy, all five times. Until they buy the series, but then they'd prolly just up and shut it down
I think the fact that IndyCar is faster when compared to NASCAR on the same track is significant, don't you?
What's yours? Mine is to remind folks that IndyCars are faster
221.4 vs 186.4And climbing.
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Nope. I used this year's schedule, not some random calendar like you are doing. You are simply being absurd when you make your silly comparisons then try to blame your illogical stunts on me. Most weekends when NASCAR is racing this year, they are racing faster than INDYCAR (currently 10-1). When both are racing, NASCAR will still hold the edge (currently 3-1).
I think the significance is much less than you do. I consider INDYCAR's inability to match NASCAR's race speed most weekends to be more significant, considering the huge natural advantages that Indycars hold.I think the fact that IndyCar is faster when compared to NASCAR on the same track is significant, don't you?
Wow, you get to do that for the second time in 12 race weekends. An easy gig if ever there was one.Mine is to remind folks that IndyCars are faster
Newgarden just posted a 222.785... only 10 mph over the all-time Cup record.
And we're talking about practice.
Again, per the PP standard, the score started out at 26-0 NASCAR's favor. The best IndyCar can do is to lose 17-26.
Although I do find it interesting, given that oval tracks produce higher race speeds than road/street courses, though NASCAR has run all their races on ovals, that the 'slower' IndyCar series beat NASCAR's oval on a road/street course.
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The topic specifically addresses this year. I didn't make the 2012 schedule. Using just the Race Weekends that INDYCAR can afford to race, the faster lap speeds will still most often be in NASCAR. 3-1 so far this year.
Enjoy the added boost for Indy quals this year.
Do you deny that, using the PP standard, the best IndyCar can do is to lose 17-26......THIS YEAR?
Of course you do. You think that going slower more often accumulates to being faster.
That's why you think the series that goes slower on ovals,
that goes slower on road courses,
that goes slower head-to-head,
that goes slower absolutely,
that never runs as fast as IndyCar's top speed,
that corners shower,
accelerates slower,
decelerates slower,
and that is slower in all aspects than F1, IndyCar, GP2, USAC, WoO, and most supermodified series,
is the faster series.
Go figure
The trouble with the PP standard is that it actually has nothing to do with speed or who is faster. it is nothing but a comparison of who runs the most races, and has nothing to do with speed.
When I used to run Karts, I probably ran close to 50 races a year (each event had multiple races) and never once would have broken the 100mph barrier. By the PP standard however, my kart was faster than a NASCAR, an F1 car, and Indycar, an..........
Even if a car runs just once a year and goes faster, it is still faster. This weekend an indycar is going to set a pole speed of around 225 mph. That will make it the fastest race car of the whole year to run a closed circuit, anywhere in the world. End of story. Well, not quite, an Indycar might break it's own top speed of the year at Fontana.
I'm pretty sure that if you google any world speed record, the only thing they care about is maximum speed. There is no qualification for how often it does it. Just for an example:
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/...l-rail-system/
I don't see any mention of how frequently the service runs. In fact I'm sure there are many metro rail systems that operate far more frequently, and so by PP's standard, would be considered a 'faster train service'.
Going slower more often does not equal (in ANYONE's definition) going faster
NASCAR 3 - INDYCAR 1 on Race Weekends they both compete. The so-called 'standard' which Turn13 and Jakester are adhering to merely addresses the point of 'reminding the fans' because it is more difficult to remind them when your series is idle and completely ignored and the other series is racing at 190mph in Daytona.
Exactly. INDYCAR goes slower more often than NASCAR. So far this year the score is 3-1. Thanks for the clarification.Going slower more often does not equal (in ANYONE's definition) going faster
Considering that IndyCar is always faster wherever they race, we'd have to conclude that 190 mph is slower.
The score started out 26-0. You're welcome for the clarification.Exactly. INDYCAR goes slower more often than NASCAR. So far this year the score is 3-1. Thanks for the clarification.
Do you deny that, using the PP standard, the best IndyCar can do is to lose 17-26......THIS YEAR?
Your assessment is absolutely untrue, considering that there are not 43 Race Weekends this season for the two series. Wanna try again? Wanna change the schedule? Wanna race more often and with more speed?
BEG PARDON, excuse my lousy typing and failure to proofread (including copy/pastes). Pardon me while I recalculate.
NASCAR 36 points paying race season (Are you counting duels, all-star etc? Never mind we'll use the best case scenario for INDYCAR)
INDYCAR 16 points paying race season.
36-16= 20
The score starts out 20-0
The best INDYCAR can do is lose 16-20
The song remains the same: PP 'who's faster' formula yields only a trivial solution, a predetermined answer that does not even have speed in the calculation.
Now that I've done my proper homework....do you deny the above statement?
(that is, precluding the possibility the Mayans were right)
Maybe that's why I say that this season NASCAR will race faster more often than INDYCAR.
INDYCAR needs more races, faster races. Simple fix, no?
The Mayans were right, it is the doomsday believers who are wrong. We will be celebrating their big cycle New Year beginning this December.(that is, precluding the possibility the Mayans were right)
Not quite, all you've demonstrated with your formula is NASCAR races more often. I do find it interesting that your claim, despite all your earlier protestations regarding context, now includes a great deal of context around the adverb "faster".Maybe that's why I say that this season NASCAR will race faster more often than INDYCAR.
BTW, I ran your formula for the World of Outlaws. WoO "races faster more often than" NASCAR (and I didn't even have to look at a single race speed).
tidbit: Note the wailing and gnashing of teeth here and in the press that the woefully underpowered Lotus can 'only' manage a 207 mph lap on the flat IMS ...but even that 'slow' speed is a mere 3 mph off the ballyhooed NASCAR 210 mph on the high banks of Daytona that started this thread....which is 10-13 mph slower than the quick guys current practice speeds (in the 'slow' DW12s).
Who's faster indeed?
lookin forward to Mayan New Year.....
I talk about faster, not 'faster'. Big difference as in the following:
I say 180mph is faster than 160mph. Others argue that 160mph is 'faster' than 180mph.
What does that have to do with INDYCAR?BTW, I ran your formula for the World of Outlaws. WoO "races faster more often than" NASCAR (and I didn't even have to look at a single race speed).
For only the 2nd time this season, it will be INDYCAR. Good for them. Now if they could only manage to do it more often.tidbit: Note the wailing and gnashing of teeth here and in the press that the woefully underpowered Lotus can 'only' manage a 207 mph lap on the flat IMS ...but even that 'slow' speed is a mere 3 mph off the ballyhooed NASCAR 210 mph on the high banks of Daytona that started this thread....which is 10-13 mph slower than the quick guys current practice speeds (in the 'slow' DW12s).
Who's faster indeed?
It's just the end of one celestial cycle and the beginning of another. Happens every 5125.36 years. Maybe by the end of the next cycle INDYCARs will be faster more weekends.lookin forward to Mayan New Year.....
Last edited by PenelopePitstop; 05-18-2012 at 06:02 PM.
227.540 mph is definitely faster than anything those guys will be doing all year long...
Has everything to do with how you calculate who/what is 'faster'.What does that have to do with INDYCAR?
I agree with you that Indycars will not race at that speed on Race Weekend.
But we were not discussing WoO vs. Turn13's Honda.
When one series is racing at 175mph and the other is idle (0mph), which is faster that weekend? Or is it unfair to ask the fans that question?
Last edited by PenelopePitstop; 05-18-2012 at 06:01 PM.
It's fair to ask the fans to compare INDYCARs and NASCAR at Indianapolis (or TMS....or Fontana).
Heck, I think most of the fans will see the speeds posted this weekend (even though they are on different tracks) and figure out that IndyCars are faster than NASCAR.
That said, more of them will continue to watch NASCAR because racing entertainment isn't just about being faster.
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