Wow.
Just... wow
Wow.
Just... wow
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Brian's Wish
I must admit, I was wrong about your apology. It was about as lame as they get, but it technically qualifies as one.Originally Posted by Turn13
Wow.
Just... wow
And you didn't already say it, this was your only attempt.
So, apology accepted even though you feign ignorance of your offense.
LOL!Let (s)he who has never made a silly argument on TrackForum, cast the first stone...
56 IS > 55.
Make up your mind
You asserted previously that I said 55 > 56.
Nowhere did I say that 55 > 56. In fact, just the opposite - first sarcastically, in post #295, and then again in post #300, when that lesson apparently didn't "take":
That was a long time ago, yet you continue to repeatedly mischaracterize my position since then. The point was that 55 mph can be a greater demonstration of the capability for speed than 55 mph, depending on the conditions, which is also a definition of "faster" - a reasonable, documented and widely accepted concept that you, of course, cannot concede without losing the argument you have so much invested in. You said that context never matters, which was the nonsense I rejected.
Wrong again, PP:
That was in post #484.
I really should stop responding to you, as you are now definitely just repeating previously disproved false assertions, but some people may not have had the patience or resources to catch it all
How else could they be expected to construe what was feigned ignorance, what was repeated, willful misdirection, and what character flaws were being exposed along the way?
Just for the record, I don't mean by that wisecrack to imply that I think character is in question here; just noting the preposterous lengths and compounded errors inspired by the quality of the arguments on my opponent's side in the debate
Last edited by Turn13; 03-19-2012 at 12:41 PM.
56 IS > 55.
Make up your mind
You asserted previously that I said 55 > 56.
Nowhere did I say that 55 > 56. In fact, just the opposite - first sarcastically, in post #295, and then again in post #300, when that lesson apparently didn't "take"
That was a long time ago, yet you continue to repeatedly mischaracterize my position since then. The point was that 55 mph can be a greater demonstration of the capability for speed than 55 mph, depending on the conditions, which is also a definition of "faster" - a reasonable, documented and widely accepted concept that you, of course, cannot concede without losing the argument you have so much invested in. You said that context never matters, which was the nonsense I rejected.Originally Posted by Turn13
I reject that as nonsense
This is like Disciple and his infamous 40,000 at Kentucky(which you never disagreed with), later changed to 30,000 then denying that he ever changed his estimate.
55mph is slower than 56mph no matter the course, no matter if you reject it as nonsense or not.
Yep, you managed to slip that one by me. My bad.Wrong again, PP:
That was in post #484.
I really should stop responding to you, as you are now definitely just repeating previously disproved false assertions, but some people may not have had the patience or resources to catch it all
Oh, so now that I've pointed out that it was you who brought the "character" issue into the debate it is suddenly not important to you. At least you are of consistent character.Just for the record, I don't mean by that wisecrack to imply that I think character is in question here; just noting the preposterous lengths and compounded errors inspired by the quality of the arguments on my opponent's side in the debate
So, to re-cap, when you say I said 55 > 56, it really turns out I didn't (though you did suggest that 56>55 was "silly"), and in fact I said just the opposite; when you say I didn't apologize twice, I really did; and when I say this isn't to question character, you say that means it is.
At least you have agreed that IndyCars are faster, that they are faster head-to-head, on the same track, faster on ovals, and faster on road courses.
Plus, your formatting lacks technical consistency and a pleasant appearance.
I think I'm done for the time being
See you on Sunday where the Indycars will be turning the slower laps.
Yep, faster than a Cup car ever could
And accelerating faster, decelerating quicker, and pulling more G's in the corners.
Cup cars will be hitting close to 200mph this weekend. Indycars, not so much. Great way to debut the season in which you find it necessary to remind the fans that INDYCAR is faster.
They won't be this weekend. I just wanted to REMIND you of that.
Way to go, INDYCAR. If you want to be thought of as faster, you need to actually do it. Nothing underscores my point in this thread more than this weekend's matchup. Faster is faster and NASCAR is the one doing the reminding.
Last edited by PenelopePitstop; 03-20-2012 at 09:49 AM.
Well then that settles it & we can all be looking forward to the Cup cars flirting with a new track record at Fontana this weekend since they're so much faster than everything else that has ever raced there... awesome!
Indycars will be seen racing at much slower speeds than Cup cars this weekend. Not awesome!
You will most assuredly spend a lot of time reminding us of the difference, but fans will SEE faster racing at Fontana this weekend. They'll believe their eyes, not you explanations.
As noted before, I can drive my Honda Fit from Indy to Baltimore and average a higher speed than Cup Cars do at Martinsville for their race, but I don't think that's something to brag about
To people who understand racing, mph is only one measurement of the quality of being "faster"
People aren't stupid, usually, just sometimes misinformed.You will most assuredly spend a lot of time reminding us of the difference, but fans will SEE faster racing at Fontana this weekend. They'll believe their eyes, not you explanations.
What's the speed record at Fontana?
What is it at St Pete?
Which series will demonstrate a greater capability of speed, by performing at a greater percentage of the record?
Which is the greater accomplishment?
I appreciate your participation in this important thread. It keeps me from having to bump it
So the Cup cars will in fact be flirting with a new track record at Fontana?
Cool.
Can't wait to see it!
"They'll believe their eyes, not your expectations."
Hmmm... in other words, if the cars look faster, they will be faster?
They might, they just might. Or even maybe just a record for them. It would get my attention more, but after all they're still a sedan series.
With Cup running faster and IndyCar working out the kinks, maybe the gap will be smaller than usual, or even nonexistent.
Ya think?
No, but thanks for playing.
The racing will be faster in Fontana than it will in St. Petersburg this weekend. Most non-believers will post paragraph after paragraph either disputing that fact or rationalizing it, but those who watch will know the simple truth.
This weekend NASCAR will race faster than Indycar.
By going slower than IndyCar does?
Now that's a rationalization!
I think. Something, I do.
Sounds like Chad Knaus will be available for HMS at Fontana.
My money is on the #48 setting the new track record in qualifying.
NASCAR
BRISTOL Average Speed: 93.037 mph
new sig pending
More than 93mph faster than any Indycar race this season to date. Four in a row, this weekend will be the first direct competition between series' race speeds.
Who will post the faster of the two?
There has not been a race this season to date.
No, by going faster than Indycar this weekend. Just because INDYCAR has the potential to go faster doesn't make them faster this weekend.
Kinda like that smart kid who didn't bother to study for the test. He may have the potential to post an A for his grade, but when he gets an F he isn't really smarter, is he? This weekend Indycar will be something like 75-80mph faster on every race lap when compared to INDYCAR. That's why you need to REMIND everyone that INDYCAR will be faster in just two more months. When they actually are faster you won't need to explain it.
But for the next two months you'll have to REMIND people because NASCAR will demonstrate faster racing.
Be careful, your character might be questioned when you post facts like that.
Yes it does.
Last edited by Turn13; 03-20-2012 at 09:07 PM.
You're the only one doing that in this thread
Yep, even when he's asleep. Even if he didn't go to school that day.
I could post 15 mph on my bike on a Tuesday, it doesn't make me faster than NASCAR just because they take the day off.
Actually, the "Penelope Standard" is a good deal for me. I'm short, fat, bald, and stupid, but as long as nobody else shows up I'm a 10
Slower is slower even if it is by conscious choice. 75-80mph difference this Sunday. Spin away for the next two months.
Consistent with the denials, aren't you?You're the only one doing that in this thread
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