Yeah, but just think how much slower a stock car would be on those tracksOriginally Posted by PenelopePitstop
If you want to see more ovals, really the only thing you can do is encourage new fans to attend or tune in. Anything else would be counter-productive.
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Easily one of the funniest posts here. Ever.
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Maybe when the fans see a guy like Tony Stewart kick butt in go carts, midgets, and whatever, they aren't so impressed with the triathlon crew?
Just to clarify, this thread is not intended to be a grudge match between fans or series.
The simple premise is, if it is remarkable that NASCAR testing speeds are pushing the envelope, then it must be somewhat also remarkable that IndyCar is even faster.
If you don't feel like you can discuss that without animosity seething through your posts, please find another thread.
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Racing is all relative. Indy cars don't go 210 mph on the street courses do they? I don't think Indy cars would be as entertaining as some of the bumping NASCAR does on its short tracks. Indy cars as I understand it are just too fast for Daytona. On the other hand watching NASCAR at Indianapolis is kind of boring when they go about 40 mph slower than Indy cars and can't maneuver the corners as well even at those slower speeds. I am primarily a homer Indy 500 fan first and number one, no ifs, ands or buts. I enjoy all racing but find all have limits of excitement and preferences depending on the race course. 210 mph is probably rather exciting when driving one of those cab like race cars especially when tagging bumpers in a crowd.
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So far the DW12 is slower than the old car and I would bet also slower than the DP01. Nobody gives a ratsass that Indycars are faster than Cup cars, its just plain physics.
All I know is going 200mph with only 1200lbs of DF is a hell of alot different then going 200 with 5000Lbs of DF.
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Well let's take off the wings and run dirt, too, then
I guess high banks, power steering, a roof over your head and no open wheels make it easier, too.
But faster is still faster, and fastest is fastest. On ovals
Justa fact. I know some will spin nit
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Umm, isn't the NHRA faster still? Or an air show? How fast do the cigarette boats run? Doesn't a baseball player run faster from first to second than a football player runs from the 10 to the 20? Isn't the NHL a far faster game than the NBA?
NASCAR is more popular than IndyCar, and has been for nearly 30 years. The petty jealous minority see auto racing fandom as a zero sum game, and thus further marginalize the sport. True fans, of course, change the channel as soon as Indy is over and watch Charlotte.
I have to disagree. Everyone has their preferences, which they're perfectly entitled to. Just because someone doesn't find NASCAR interesting when they love Indy Car doesn't mean they're not a 'true racing fan'.
Having said that, I agree that petty jealousy of other motor racing championships, or bitterness towards other series just because they don't interest you is pretty stupid and not of a true racing fan trait. Life's too short for hating after all.
Ultimately, a true racing fan will enjoy watching the Indy celebrations, and then will decide on whether they want to watch Charlotte or not depending on whether it interests them or not. They won't make that decision based on how much bitterness or hate they have towards NASCAR.
Not on the same tracks.
F1 would be faster, but they never run ovals.
I don't watch something just because it's popular. I've attended NASCAR races and watched them on TV, but don't find them all that compelling, in part because the cars seem slow and heavy.NASCAR is more popular than IndyCar, and has been for nearly 30 years. The petty jealous minority see auto racing fandom as a zero sum game, and thus further marginalize the sport. True fans, of course, change the channel as soon as Indy is over and watch Charlotte.
Just like I'd rather drive a Corvette than the old lady's Lumina for recreation.
YMMV, not knocking your preference a bit. Why are you knocking mine, second-guessing my inner psychology, etc.?
Hey, Antron Brown and John Force and their buddies are faster than Indycars and they're all Americans that fans can relate to.
But, it's easy to understand why Indycar has to try harder.
And, John Force will sell more Mustangs than Will Power will sell Chevies.
Will sells Holdens, not Chevys, right?
True, but not on ovals. And not at Bonneville, either
John Force will sell more Mustangs than Will Power will sell Chevies.
Yep - but not to me
Walking around the Chili Bowl pits I could imagine my NHRA buddies being unimpressed with the technology involved.
It's all good
Why? Stock cars don't race on city streets. In fact, proper race cars shouldn't race on city streets. NASCAR knows this. That's why their race cars, on average, race at higher speeds than Indycars.Yeah, but just think how much slower a stock car would be on those tracks
If I want to see more ovals I can just follow Cup racing on ovals while you watch slower Indycars on city streets. If I want to attend more oval races I can go to dozens of NASCAR Cup races that are closer than the nearest Indycar oval.If you want to see more ovals, really the only thing you can do is encourage new fans to attend or tune in. Anything else would be counter-productive.
I prefer Indycar racing, but don't try to tell me they race at higher speeds. They don't.
Yes, head to head Indycars are faster. Week in and week out, on average, Cup cars race at higher speeds. Both statements are true.
Indycars can go faster. NASCAR actually does go faster and far more often.
Seek your own pleasure.
PP, if you want to watch NASCAR, knock yourself out, but the only way IndyCars aren't faster than stock cars on any track is by violating the time / space continuum.
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That you know.
That it bothers you... well, that's just icing on the cake
I think it's neat that NASCAR is testing faster than they did last year. I think that's kinda the point.
Facts don't bother me. Twisting facts to meet an agenda does.That it bothers you... well, that's just icing on the cake
This season we'll see faster racing speeds, on average, in NASCAR, not Indycars. That makes them the faster of the two.
Feb 26 NASCAR racers will be lapping at around 190mph. Indycars will be going zero. Round 1 goes to NASCAR.
"on average"?
Why say that BUT to twist the facts?
What series will have the faster laps at Indy this year?
Q.E.D.
No twisting required.
Head to head, as I've already stated, Indycars are faster. Fine. That's what counts to you. For four out of 36 weeks, Indycar is faster.
The weekend Indycars are lapping Toronto at 103mph and Cup racers are lapping Daytona at 190, who is faster? Who is providing their fans with faster racing? I can give you 31 more examples of NASCAR being faster on a given weekend.
Repeat yourself all you want, it doesn't change the laws of physics
IndyCars pull more g's in every direction. On the same track anywhere, IndyCars lap faster. Much faster.
I don't understand why some fans are so sensitive about it. It's just a simple fact.
You can increase speeds on ovals and I doubt many more fans would show up. There's isn't a quest for speed anymore like there use to be. Speed doesn't impress people anymore. Nascar have been capping speeds and popularity increased or stayed the same. Le Mans has been capping speeds and populariy increased or stayed the same. F1 pegged back their speeds and popularity still increased or stayed the same.
I don't know what it's good for, I just like it
But it's a superlative that IndyCar possesses, so of course some are going to poo-poo it
And yet Indy car racing's popularity is a fraction of Nascar's, in spite of the speed differential . . . Speaking of facts. Why do you think that's so?Repeat yourself all you want, it doesn't change the laws of physics
IndyCars pull more g's in every direction. On the same track anywhere, IndyCars lap faster. Much faster.
I don't understand why some fans are so sensitive about it. It's just a simple fact.
For a variety of issues, including RJR investing a billion dollars in activation over 30 years, the general demographic shift from urban to suburban and towards the south, fenders, bumpers, roofs, country&western music displacing rock-n-roll, and of course the open wheel split between road racing and ovals.
But the actual racing has nothing to do with it? Interesting. Maybe I should ask the question differently: why do you think the sporting public and racing community has largely rejected the "product" that is Indy car racing (in spite of the fact that the cars can go faster)?
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