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    What does NASCAR have that IndyCar doesn’t?

    Attractive article comparing IndyCar and NASCAR:
    http://newtrackrecord.com/2012/01/20...ndycar-doesnt/

    Hoping the Serie is on the right track now.

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    To answer the thread title: $$$$$$$$

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    A skilled marketing department
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    Lots of fans ? Actually Nascar's numbers are in a very slow but steady decline, while if we can depend on IICS data, Indycar is on a very slow but steady upswing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scuff View Post
    Lots of fans ? Actually Nascar's numbers are in a very slow but steady decline, while if we can depend on IICS data, Indycar is on a very slow but steady upswing.
    In any case, the split with CART was very stormy. Both series greatly suffered.
    Currently, there are a rebirth.

    As far as I'm concerned, I like the international side from IndyCar Series. All continents are represented, including Africa with Tomas Scheckter.
    This is not the same in NASCAR.

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    Also:

    Ugly & slow cars
    Overweight drivers
    Long, boring races
    The inability to turn right
    Fake headlights
    A never-ending season
    Darrell Waltrip
    "Debris" cautions with 5 laps remaining
    Room for error (rubbin's racin' y'all)

    You'll notice I didn't put ride-buyers and empty seats

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    I did not read the link yet, but I would say NASCAR has a very good idea of what they are and are not constantly trying to reinvent themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TC in Indy View Post
    I did not read the link yet, but I would say NASCAR has a very good idea of what they are and are not constantly trying to reinvent themselves.
    Sorry but that is just baloney. The Chase, the COT, the Lucky Dog, on and on .........

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    Quote Originally Posted by BSJracing View Post
    A skilled marketing department
    Agreed

    If they ran their marketing like IndyCar runs theirs, no one past Richmond or Atlanta would ever hear a peep about NASCAR.
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    Munipulated racing (phantom cautions in the closing laps to bunch the field up)
    Money and the fact they can pay there drivers
    Stability of stars - Nascar doesn't normally have huge turn overs each year and they find a wya to keep winning drivers, title contenders, and former champs in the series for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BSJracing View Post
    A skilled marketing department
    Although this is the "business" forum it doesn't preclude those with little understanding of business from posting.

    Anyone with any marketing training knows you have to have a product to sell (promote) and that you can't sell a product customers don't want.

    There's simply no way American racing fans will buy marginally talented Venezuelan ride buyer drivers. Unpromotable.

    Any number of token foreign women drivers will not change this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lkchris View Post
    There's simply no way American racing fans will buy marginally talented Venezuelan ride buyer drivers. Unpromotable.
    I don't watch IndyCar for the marginally talented Venezuelan ride buyer drivers. There's plenty about the sport I appreciate without even noticing the Venezuelans

    On the other hand, there's nothing compelling to me about slower, fendered cars logjammed together (or in tandem). Not knocking it, just my perspective. But even I enjoy it a bit more if I happen to watch and a former IndyCar driver or Hoosier does well. Or when they race on bricks

    I do think American fans, racing or not, can appreciate the world's fastest, most exciting and popular open wheel series on ovals, especially when it includes the Indianapolis 500. The fact is, more of them turn out for that more often than they do for the Chili Bowl or Knoxville.

    But it would be nice to have more of both crowds on board. I think the series has invested some in that, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turn13 View Post

    1. On the other hand, there's nothing compelling to me about slower, fendered cars logjammed together (or in tandem).

    2. The fact is, more of them turn out for that more often than they do for the Chili Bowl or Knoxville.
    1. You can watch the other 32 Cup races a year and never see that sort of "logjammed" racing that is so unappealing. Whether you like it or not, most of American race fans do find whatever NASCAR is doing 'compelling'. So they must be doing some pretty good things to have the market so relishing their product on a weekly and yearly basis.

    2. I would hope that the supposed top rung of AOW could garner more fans then a down-the-rung portion of AOW does. Lord help us if they couldn't.
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    The blog article alludes to it, but doesn't come right out and say it.... NASCAR has enough longterm fan and sponsor interest that allows for a television contract/package that provides for wide distribution of the product and exposure for the sponsors. Oh, and the TV contract also pays NASCAR handsomely....

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    A series whose championship is considered more important than its signature race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG View Post
    The blog article alludes to it, but doesn't come right out and say it.... NASCAR has enough longterm fan and sponsor interest that allows for a television contract/package that provides for wide distribution of the product and exposure for the sponsors. Oh, and the TV contract also pays NASCAR handsomely....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojow View Post
    Attractive article comparing IndyCar and NASCAR:
    http://newtrackrecord.com/2012/01/20...ndycar-doesnt/

    Hoping the Serie is on the right track now.
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    - Loads and loads of sponsorship & $$$$$$$
    - Fans that take entertainment over sport competition
    - Puppets like Kyle Petty, McReynolds, Waltrip to tell the NASCAR Channel (SPEED) viewers how great Nascar's drivers are and that no outsiders can come in and compete with the 43 best drivers in the world
    - Race Manipulation, Favoritism
    - 40,50,60 year old drivers & out of shape drivers that have no problems driving a big tough Cup car 500 miles

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    Memorabilia sold in a year, millions of $$$ of it which leads to even more exposer and success for NASCAR.

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    About 4 million fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turn13 View Post
    About 4 million fans.
    What happened to the other 71 million?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turn13 View Post
    About 4 million fans.
    ...that actually show up at the Race track when there is a race in town.

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    Multi-Billion dollar TV contract which put races in the black before a ticket is sold.
    Long term Blue chip sponsors
    consistent long term participants
    Multi Billion dollar war chest
    TV saturation. Speed, Fox, NBC ABC
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    Fans that aren't obsessed with the other racing series/inferiority complex.

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    Serious NASCAR fans hate Digger, DW, Boogity, and ESPN's current incarnation

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    Quote Originally Posted by schraderfan View Post
    Serious NASCAR fans hate Digger, DW, Boogity, and ESPN's current incarnation
    "Hate" is a bit over the top.

    I'm not mortally wounded by digger but think he's silly. It's a miniscule distraction is all.

    I love everything about DW--he's been a positive for NASCAR ever since he started driving and continues his same personality as broadcaster and got elected to the hall of fame for all of it. In terms of "color commentary" NASCAR does NOT need in the 21st century old school guys like Parsons or the elder Jarrett, nice guys though they are. Kyle Petty is pretty good but Darrell's got him beat for personality. I'm pretty glad Mikie's busy running his team.

    Some facets of ESPN--mostly Rusty Wallace--are tiresome and the biggest problem is no Waltrip when they're doing the shows, but all in all it's not "hate" for sure.

    Only thing I hate is Kenny Wallace but it's easy to just skip his shows. Sorry to my friends and relatives at Home Depot for that.

    And I AM a serious NASCAR fan--because it's fun. Yeah, I'm way college educated and won't drive anything but Mercedes cars and BMW motorcycles and I follow F1 closely. But, I like my American racing 'merikun and NASCAR is and indycar isn't and needs to get a mission other than wannabe. I believe in humility but not self-deprecation like K. Wallace and for sure not the "tea and crumpits" fake superiority of indycar.

    Nope, you don't speak for many "serious" NASCAR fans.

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