Every race I run in is in preparation for the Indianapolis 500. Indy is the most important thing in my life. It is what I live for. - Al Unser Jr.
Everything I ever wanted in my life, I found inside the walls of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. - Eddie Sachs.
No man can cause more grief than that one clinging blindly to the vices of his ancestors. - William Faulker
NASCAR did it with $30 million a year for over 30 years, back when that was real money, and they did it first. Plus, they had the sharpest marketing minds money can buy, the kind that could literally sell you your own death sentence.
I think you'd play hell trying it now, even if you had a gazillionaire industry with nowhere else to go.
Besides, their example and that of USAC et al proves it works the other way 'round. Popularity buys popular drivers, etc., etc., so on and so on - Tony, Jeff, Jimmy and Ryan weren't that popular until they got there. Most NASCAR fans don't know where they come from, because most NASCAR fans just watch NASCAR.
"Each day well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness and every tomorrow a vision of hope. Look well therefore to this one day for it, and it alone, is life"
~ Sanskrit poem attributed to Kalidasa, "Salutation to the Dawn"
How much of that Winston money did they pay ESPN to be such a dedicated partner?
-The Likes That Bill France Occasionally Made A Point With a Pistol Disciple of INDYCAR
None. That's the correct answer and the one I was looking for. One of my primary points from earlier in the thread was that NASCAR developed huge popularity in part by cultivating (a kind word) a relationship with ESPN in which ESPN was reciprocal. Indy Car has never shown the ability to do that despite having the most historic franchise and the largest attended stadium event in the world.
-The 101st Anniversary is in May Disciple of INDYCAR
We can add sexy cars to the list now....
I'd rather have 10% of the world interested in the ICS than 50% of US that NASCAR currently has
-The Milk Guzzling In May Disciple of INDYCAR
The problem witl almost all street cars these days is all the designers have pretty much figured out what makes a good aerodynamic body. Since they all have to follow the same rules of wind and air they all look basicially alike. So a $9000 Kia looks more or less like a $59000 Cadillac or BMW
Faster than a bullet from a gun
He is faster than everyone
Quicker than the blinking of an eye
Like a flash you could miss him going by
No one knows quite how he does it but it's true they say
He's the master of going faster. -George Harrison
most touring car racers, though
Wonder how it would match up to a DTM (on a road course) or a V8 SuperCar?
I simply pointed out that your 'form follows function' statement seemed rather hollow once you followed it with the apparent 'apples-to-oranges' comparison between the NASCAR platform and DTM/V-8 Supers... which are totally different 'forms' designed to perform totally different 'functions'...
Let me know when DTM or V-8's are expected to run 95% of their season on ovals.
I'll leave the NASCAR bashing to the local pros...
Thought of something else that NASCAR has that Indycar doesnt.
Fans that think standing up for the enitre race allows them to see more of the race
DOWN IN FRONT A-HOLES!!!!!
NASCAR's form follows the function of a sedan - as do the others I mentioned. The hollowness is subjective, based on one's personal perspective. As is the "bash", I guess. To me, it's neither an actual sedan, nor a purpose-built race car, but a compromise. Obviously, for its fans, a very happy one. And yes, everything is a compromise
If it's sexy to you, I'm not going to say you're wrong. I was just saying I don't care so much about the looks (the form), myself. Probably why I like the ugly cars
What is it about the NASCAR's form that is particularly designed to accommodate ovals (as opposed to, say, taking four little old ladies to church on Sunday )? You don't really see any, say, left / right offset, do you? Besides the driver's location, but that's just incidental, I would think, from copying the sedan form. I guess there is (or was?) something built into the chassis to keep it biased towards the right front corner being pointed down the track, but I admit I never learned if that was to turn left better or just to reduce drag on the straights.
Likewise, IndyCars don't seem to exhibit any special form to accommodate ovals, other than the bulkier bodywork. The biggest difference seems to be in an engine designed to operate at sustained rpm and momentum more than aggressive acceleration. Presumably, similar to the differences between NASCAR and SuperV8's, though I haven't researched it - that's why I asked the question.
I don't understand why people are so sensitive to the slightestly subjective comment regarding NASCAR that isn't abject praise. Or even to objective ones. I understand the danger of jealousy and envy, and believe me, we see the overwrought negativity directed towards every facet of IndyCar culture on an hourly basis here, but the (to me) over-reaction to even "normal" comments borders on superstition or something. Thought police .
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NASCAR has fans that will shave their favorite drivers name on their back!
Your bolded statement above is telling... Please point out where I have shown any negativity towards Indycar or its culture within the context of my postings within this particular thread. I can see if one feels they are constantly having to defend themselves from what they saw as unfounded negative attacks, that they would take an overly 'offensive' stance towards anything they might deem as a threat, actual or perceived. I also find it ironic that many individuals who state a disdain for such actions are usually the one's quickest to employ the same techniques...
Case-and-point, your choice to include the "four little old ladies to church on Sunday" phrase to describe NASCAR's 'form'... Please note for the record that there is NO such use of veiled or snide comments towards Indycar, DTM, V-8 Super's or any other form of competitive motorsports contained in any of my posts that reside within this thread. But by stating that, I now become guilty of exactly what I have described... The rabbit hole can suck you in pretty deep if no one chooses to break the cycle... No 'smiley' or 'gomer' emoticon can change that. Just the poster.
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But indycar will keep trying by bringing in lots of girl drivers.
And, did you read that Delana Harvick is 14 weeks pregnant? Bigger news than anything that will happen in Indycar this year unless someone is ... .
-The Hoping For More Evolution Disciple of INDYCAR