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    Petrov to Caterham

    http://www.caterhamf1.com/news/2012/...terham-f1-team


    Excellent news. Trulli was past his use by date. Took a while for the check to clear, hence the late announcement

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    Financially great news for Caterham, as far as Petrov vs Trulli goes, even past his prime, I think Trulli is still better ( develop the car) and a bit faster than Petrov at the moment.

    Can we start a thread: Trulli to Indycar? haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baigu View Post
    Financially great news for Caterham, as far as Petrov vs Trulli goes, even past his prime, I think Trulli is still better ( develop the car) and a bit faster than Petrov at the moment.

    Can we start a thread: Trulli to Indycar? haha
    I'm with the Kiwi. While I feel for Trulli getting his ride bought out, he was starting to lose his touch IMO. I think the Trulli train has pulled into it's last station. A decent career for him, and if you are only going to get one win Monaco is the place to do it.
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    If it wasn't Petrov, it was going to be vd Garde, and I know which one I'd rather have...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baigu View Post
    Financially great news for Caterham, as far as Petrov vs Trulli goes, even past his prime, I think Trulli is still better ( develop the car) and a bit faster than Petrov at the moment.

    Can we start a thread: Trulli to Indycar? haha
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    I am glad to see Petrov get a ride.

    I have liked him from the start. I think he has potential if he can ever get a good ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Kellner View Post
    I am glad to see Petrov get a ride.

    I have liked him from the start. I think he has potential if he can ever get a good ride.
    Totally concur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Kellner View Post
    I have liked him from the start. I think he has potential if he can ever get a good ride.
    I'm flabbergasted at how often this statement appears.

    It actually means the poster thinks s/he knows more than team owners about judging driver talent.

    I really think that you can take to the bank that if Petrov were a better driver than Vettel, he'd have Vettel's seat.

    The best drivers get the best cars.

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    The best drivers get the best cars.
    Sometimes. Jensen Button did not suddenly become good the year Honda became Brawn.

    I really think that you can take to the bank that if Petrov were a better driver than Vettel, he'd have Vettel's seat.
    It is more likely he'd have Webber's seat.

    I don't think anyone is better than Vettle right now yet a number of other drivers have good rides.

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    There is certainly a lot more that factors into driver choice than just their speed. Does anyone really think Massa is the fastest driver Ferrari could get? Or was Rubens the fastest driver available to the red team for all those years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Kellner View Post
    Sometimes. Jensen Button did not suddenly become good the year Honda became Brawn.



    It is more likely he'd have Webber's seat.

    I don't think anyone is better than Vettle right now yet a number of other drivers have good rides.
    Beat me to it. I was gonna say, Button was a major flop until he got a car. And as for Webber, he got a lot of credit for wringing the neck of whatever sled he was pushing but still took a long time to get a good seat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleepcheap View Post
    Beat me to it. I was gonna say, Button was a major flop until he got a car. And as for Webber, he got a lot of credit for wringing the neck of whatever sled he was pushing but still took a long time to get a good seat.
    Add to that the fact that the top teams don't seem to change their drivers very often. That can make it quite hard for an up-and-coming good driver to find his way into a good seat at the expense of an established driver who happens to be not quite as good as them. Take Massa's place at Ferrari on the evidence of the last 2 seasons, for example.

    And as Indy kiwi says, there are also certainly other factors involved. One of these is the balance of the team. If you have the best driver on the grid, sometimes you don't try to get the 2nd best driver to fill the other seat - think of Senna in the Lotus days, or Schumacher at Ferrari.

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    If you have the best driver on the grid, sometimes you don't try to get the 2nd best driver to fill the other seat
    Yea, remember the problems McLaren had with Senna & Prost or Alonso & Hamilton. "We have two #1s" has great potential to turn into a diva war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleepcheap View Post
    Beat me to it. I was gonna say, Button was a major flop until he got a car.
    That was a bit of a fluke, but indeed Button rose to the occasion.

    You'll recall the Brawn was the previous year a Honda, and very much a backmarker. Their advantage lasted only one year and Button was lucky and smart to move on to McLaren ... where everyone expected him to be #2. Also don't lose sight of the fact that while Button is doing well, he isn't really challenging Vettel.

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    don't lose sight of the fact that while Button is doing well, he isn't really challenging Vettel.
    Neither is anyone else. Car speed has something to do with that. Jensen did out drive Vettel at the end in Canada last year. And while he was less exciting to watch, he did win as many races as Lewis, had nearly twice the podiums (11 to 6), and scored more points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Kellner View Post
    Neither is anyone else. Car speed has something to do with that. Jensen did out drive Vettel at the end in Canada last year. And while he was less exciting to watch, he did win as many races as Lewis, had nearly twice the podiums (11 to 6), and scored more points.
    For me, in many ways, Button has been the star of the last 2 years, probably next to Vettel. He was expected to be blown away by Hamilton, and I think has actually rattled Lewis a bit. I think Hamilton has the better outright speed, but Jenson has proven himself to be a better and smarter racer. He has also managed the political situation at McLaren alongside Hamilton pretty well, and prevented issues such as the Prost/Senna or Hamilton/Alonso ones from creating an unworkable situation (in fact more-or-less the opposite).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deutsch View Post
    For me, in many ways, Button has been the star of the last 2 years, probably next to Vettel. He was expected to be blown away by Hamilton, and I think has actually rattled Lewis a bit. I think Hamilton has the better outright speed, but Jenson has proven himself to be a better and smarter racer. He has also managed the political situation at McLaren alongside Hamilton pretty well, and prevented issues such as the Prost/Senna or Hamilton/Alonso ones from creating an unworkable situation (in fact more-or-less the opposite).
    I couldn't agree more. I'm a Lewis fan, and he is as quick or quicker than Vettel in the same car, but he is subject to poor judgment in the race.

    Button, on the other hand, is very quick, very smooth (he can go longer on his tyres than anyone), and consistently uses good judgment. Like Vettel, he drove that season's dominant car to the championship, and you don't do that without both talent and judgment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy-hp View Post
    I couldn't agree more. I'm a Lewis fan, and he is as quick or quicker than Vettel in the same car, but he is subject to poor judgment in the race.

    Button, on the other hand, is very quick, very smooth (he can go longer on his tyres than anyone), and consistently uses good judgment. Like Vettel, he drove that season's dominant car to the championship, and you don't do that without both talent and judgment.
    This probably will sounds harsh, but: I think Lewis' problem is that he *knows* he's quick, and better than almost everybody else (subject for debate). That's how I read his actions lately, reeking of arrogance. But when he gets his act together he's lightning quick. Button on the other hand seems less assuming about his ability. I used to like Hamilton, but lately I've started to think that he's a bit of an ass. Hopefully this coming season re-re-opinionates me... (if that makes any sense!)

    And of course, I should have said the last 3 seasons when referring to Button. The way he dominated Rubens early in 2009 was very impressive, as was his ability to still get the job done well enough towards the end of the season when things weren't going quite so well.

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    Lewis needs a big dose of patience. Monaco this year exemplifies his biggest problem. Had he taken it a bit easier, he could have worked his way to the front and won. He looked like he could pass anywhere, but forgot that there are places where trying to pass will always create contact. Had he just picked his spots more carefully it would have been a different race.

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