China circuit to be unveiled soon?

[FlatOut]

Per Indycar.
It doesnt exist.

http://www.indycar.com/Schedule.aspx

Go to Aug 18th.

Its no wonder why this series looks like its chasing its tail.

Every series has everything nailed down, but IC, is giving the same impression right before CC died.
Pathetic.

YOU LOSE IC.

[RS2]

What do you guys think about Avus?




Or maybe we could start the season in Tripoli.

[Miguel]

That track is indeed in the media guide. So that looks to be it. 3.2 miles long. Looks like it could be great fun!

What do you guys think about Avus?


Or maybe we could start the season in Tripoli.

Best tracks ever build.

[lizardfolk]

That track is indeed in the media guide. So that looks to be it. 3.2 miles long. Looks like it could be great fun!


Best tracks ever build.

Just straighten that out a little and we'll have a European oval on the schedule

Stupid question - maybe this has been brought up already, but why don't we race at Macau? One of the toughest street tracks in the world and an enormous event every fall.

You'd have to convince the Macau authorities to close that part of the street twice a year, unless you can get it in line with the WTCC race of Macau (which probably wouldn't be out of the question). It's probably easier to grab another booming city than to try to create many events in one. Macau is busy as it is already.

Don't get me wrong tho. Macau would be pretty amazing to watch. It'd be like Monaco, except with actual passing zones at Mandarin and Lisboa.

[Nigel Red5]

Yup, but that was back in like September, Baltimore and Sao Paulo both changed layouts at least once from original plan to what the cars ran on.
Sao Paulo: http://www.silhouet.com/motorsport/t...sao_paulo.html
Baltimore original layout (which I thought looked much more exciting): http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/b...503899.graphic

the problem with the original Baltimore layout was the proposed pit lane would have only been two lanes wide in the drop off/ access road to the baseball stadium and pit exit would have been right into a straight just before a high speed kink or just before the MLK blvd overpass. it just didn't work. it also would have been very mickey mouse through the last three turns and would have basically been shutting down the bars by oriole park. The main fan area on Camden and howard street would have been track area as well.

[Nigel Red5]

Edit!

The chicane at Baltimore was for the railroad tracks. Really hoping that issue is resolved this year because it did change the personality of the layout

I don't know that the chicane helped TK or not....if brakes failed its likely he didn't go thru the chicane.....I don't think the video goes back that far. It probably did help him, but an equipment failure could happen anywhere....the chicane wasn't built in to slow the cars for turn 1. it was to keep them from bouncing on the tracks!

The chicane had little impact on TK's accident other than it probably knocked 10 mph or so off his speed. The chicane started barely barely a block after the last turn and ended a little less than half a block prior to the RR tracks that run down the west side of Howard street. There's as much runoff room for turn 1 as they choose to have since pratt Street continues straight for almost another half mile. The organizers and indycar have said the chicane won't be there this year, but I want to see the cars actually take the tracks at full speed and show me they aren't going to be totally airborne and then bottoming severely. I drive over that crossing several times a week. Even in a street car at 35, those tracks are rough. There is imprinted and textured concrete between the two sets of rails and there is a grade change. Anyone that was at last years race that walked through the concessions area where all of the trailers selling shirts and stuff were knows how treacherous they were jsut to walk on.

IIRC two guys straight-lined the chicane and said it was alright, but they hadn't been hard on the loud pedal the entire way out of the last turn when they hit the tracks. Indycar shut down the streets several times last year to test things or do demos. There's somewhere between 800-1000 feet between the last turn and the first rail of the crossing. How fast are Indycars going if they accelerate out of a rt hand corner onto ther straight in say 900 feet? If they are going to remove that chicane (which I agree they should do) and do nothing to the track crossing, They had better spend a couple hours at some point with that segment of Pratt closed off and a car taking those tracks several times at WELL over 110- 120 mph. They were nowhere near that coming out of the chicane, even when they straightlined the chicane.

If this race does survive long term, there are far better RR track crossing solutions available. I have two near me that utilize steel and rubber that makes the train rails more like a bridge expansion joint. I cross them at least 60-65 mph and I can barely tell I'm crossing it.

[Nigel Red5]

Just straighten that out a little and we'll have a European oval on the schedule



You'd have to convince the Macau authorities to close that part of the street twice a year, unless you can get it in line with the WTCC race of Macau (which probably wouldn't be out of the question). It's probably easier to grab another booming city than to try to create many events in one. Macau is busy as it is already.

Don't get me wrong tho. Macau would be pretty amazing to watch. It'd be like Monaco, except with actual passing zones at Mandarin and Lisboa.

Have you ever seen how narrow several parts of the circuit in Macau are? These jacknuts have problems getting through a turn on a 5 lane wide blvd half the time, and I like street races. No Thanks.

It would be real easy to turn baltimore into the Avus layout on either Russel street or light street.

[slkornya]

It would be real easy to turn baltimore into the Avus layout on either Russel street or light street.

Great idea, but...

Won't building a 43 degree banked 'Wall of Death' turn in the middle of the Inner Harbor kind of screw up the traffic pattern? Maybe just a little?

[mitchbr]

It can't be worse than this:



I wonder if anyone remembers that atrocious A1GP race...

Either way, I hope the layout is good and will provide some good and unique racing. Might be asking too much however =D

I was afraid the hairpin on the new Edmonton layout would have the same results, thankfully I was wrong and it provided a good passing zone.

[lizardfolk]

I was afraid the hairpin on the new Edmonton layout would have the same results, thankfully I was wrong and it provided a good passing zone.

I think the beijing hairpin is tighter.





A1GP cars could barely turn and anyone who tried to pass almost always made some sort of contact with something.

[TexManZero]

Not so sure about this one... the bottom part is really narrow (about 10 yards wide). The top straight-with-a-kink would be nearly 1.5 miles...

Oh no! It's instantly a death trap! 1.5 miles!

Seriously I like that layout, but the problem with these things is that you do have to go to ground level in order to make sure that it works. A few months ago I created "The Streets of the Metroplex," which I thought was a good idea for a track before I realized that some of the streets were to narrow for even normal traffic.

[Grinder-Tank]

Per Indycar.
It doesnt exist.

http://www.indycar.com/Schedule.aspx

Go to Aug 18th.

Its no wonder why this series looks like its chasing its tail.

Every series has everything nailed down, but IC, is giving the same impression right before CC died.
Pathetic.

YOU LOSE IC.

DUDE, It is on there. You missed it. You might want to settle down man. I am going to pour some beer and whiskey into the open visor and calm you down.

[FrankCanada97]

That track is indeed in the media guide. So that looks to be it. 3.2 miles long. Looks like it could be great fun!

It would be interesting, though I wonder if there is enough run-off for the turn after the hairpin.

[Nigel Red5]

Great idea, but...

Won't building a 43 degree banked 'Wall of Death' turn in the middle of the Inner Harbor kind of screw up the traffic pattern? Maybe just a little?

Worse than it already is?? lol. I could make so many Baltimore Jokes about the "wall of death", but hey, I don't want to spread more stereotypes and I gotta work here

Going up Light street down Lombard and back down calvert street is a pretty decent hill. Im sure we could get a few gangbangers in town to take pot shots at cars going by. sorta reverse drive-bys. We could call it Avus-Lite

or we could just circle Russell street, use Pratt street and they could just walk into the UMMS ER themselves.

[dog-ring]

Stupid question - maybe this has been brought up already, but why don't we race at Macau? One of the toughest street tracks in the world and an enormous event every fall.

Fall event? How about we race the road course at IMS with the bikes? Can you imagine it? I'm old but not old enough to think that this might work...............

Tradition? 33 is just a number.......................

[slompappy]

That track is indeed in the media guide. So that looks to be it. 3.2 miles long. Looks like it could be great fun!


Best tracks ever build.

These is only one best ever and that is The Indianapolis Motor Speedway...but those look awesome on the videos

[Racing Steward]

I was afraid the hairpin on the new Edmonton layout would have the same results, thankfully I was wrong and it provided a good passing zone.

A hairpin off a long straight is perfect for passing (Hard braking), Long Beach's hairpin is pointless, they put the hairpin going ONTO the straight which separates the cars off the corner and they cant setup a pass, that hairpin alone ruins Long Beach. Also, remove that ridiculous chicane at Baltimore and we'd have a great race.

Edmonton wasnt as good as I thought it would be but it was still a good race that had passing. I thought Cotman did a great job with that new Edmonton layout. Looks racy and perhaps with separation among the teams, new cars, Turbos the racing will be great this year. Toronto and Sao Paulo have been sensational circuits. Terrific racing.

[rhit2004]

Like I said, someone online claims it came from a media guide. Hearsay at best, it's why I was asking if anyone here could confirm it.

I can confirm that the graphic you posted appears as the track map in the media guide.

[Fro]

Wow, that's practically a roval... could be pretty interesting.

[WillMazeo]

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