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    Quote Originally Posted by NoviVespa View Post
    What could NASCAR do about the hotel prices? For that matter, what could NASCAR do about the price of gasoline in the area. What could NASCAR do about what the restaurants charge for food in the area. NOTHING!!! These are privately owned businesses.
    NASCAR could partner with hotels and restaurants and exchange some promotion or some other asset they have for a better price on rooms and meals. All it takes is one or two properties to buy in and the market will adjust, especially if there are unused rooms and empty restaurants.
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    No doubt gasoline and overnight stay prices are taking the biggest toll on attendance. The spring race has always been the easier ticket buy either direct from the track or the folks who have to buy tickets for BOTH races to get the night race (as with other tracks bundling their season tickets...).
    Maybe an extra dollar per gallon is knocking out people who would go to Bristol if they could buy gas and two tickets for less than $100.

    If there were enough demand for tickets to fill the track at full face value, the extra dollar wouldn't matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidM View Post
    SpeedTV did a bit on Friday about sport venue seating capacity. They listed Bristol at 160,000. No way they had more than 80k on Sunday. They may have sold more than that in seats as sponsors buy lots of tickets to give away, but that place was 1/2 full at best.
    Maybe all the fans were in the bathroom or concessions (For those that dont remember 2 or 3 years ago Nascar had a race that was poorly attended and their excuse was the fans were in the concessions and bathrooms).

    Like I said earlier, if you think 102,000 were in attendance sunday, think again. Id say 80,000 would be stretching it. Bottom line is they always have excuses and I grow tired of hearing them as they get more and more laughable and ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoviVespa View Post
    What is with it. There will be a forum about each race every weekend. And, here we got a forum about attendance, and everyone has something to say. While, the forum about races has almost nobody show up.

    Are all you guys just looking at the people in the stands, and completely ignoring the race?


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    Quote Originally Posted by NoviVespa View Post
    What is with it. There will be a forum about each race every weekend. And, here we got a forum about attendance, and everyone has something to say. While, the forum about races has almost nobody show up.

    Are all you guys just looking at the people in the stands, and completely ignoring the race?
    There is at least one race thread. This was not it. I couldn't help but see the empty seats. Bristol is such that they can't hide the empties with camera angles and banners. Add to it the fact that we're not talking one of the 1.5 mile "cookie cutter" tracks but one of NASCAR's crown jewels; a track that they would always brag about being the hardest ticket to get, and this is a valid topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Racing Steward View Post
    Maybe all the fans were in the bathroom or concessions (For those that dont remember 2 or 3 years ago Nascar had a race that was poorly attended and their excuse was the fans were in the concessions and bathrooms).

    Like I said earlier, if you think 102,000 were in attendance sunday, think again. Id say 80,000 would be stretching it. Bottom line is they always have excuses and I grow tired of hearing them as they get more and more laughable and ridiculous.
    I remember that.

    I also remember the Pocono race where attendance was claimed to be 100,000 and it was actually counted to be 48,000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoviVespa View Post
    What could NASCAR do about the hotel prices? For that matter, what could NASCAR do about the price of gasoline in the area. What could NASCAR do about what the restaurants charge for food in the area. NOTHING!!! These are privately owned businesses.
    They are "private," but there is plenty they could do. In fact, it's odd that they aren't already (maybe they are, and just aren't effective). Just take a look at other major events across the country (not just races) . They routinely make alliances with local businesses to create hotel/ticket/restaurant combo travel packages, buy up blocks of rooms for fans and offer them at discounted prices, as well as pushing for "non-gouging agreements" which I've heard of in Orlando before. If I were running Bristol, I'd set up a meeting right away with the local chamber of commerce and visitor's bureau for the region, and hash out a plan that's mutually beneficial for all.

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    Seems we are overlooking the obvious. Most of the fans at Bristol drive from home to the track. After the race, they drive home. No hotel, no restaurants, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoviVespa View Post
    Seems we are overlooking the obvious. Most of the fans at Bristol drive from home to the track. After the race, they drive home. No hotel, no restaurants, etc.
    Some do. Some camp. Some stay in Gatlinburg, and all sorts of places in the region.

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    Interesting read from Landon Cassill regarding the racing at BMS:

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    Interesting read from Landon Cassill regarding the racing at BMS:
    As mentioned, there is a difference between Bumpin' and rubbin' and straight up "Dirty Driving." Bristol was built on rubbin and hard-nosed driving. That's always been the best and most entertaining show. It also requires quite the skill to battle through. And guess what, sometimes they'd wreck. I think just about everyone classifies Earnhardt's Rattle his cage move in 1999 as in the "dirty" category, but it sure as hell packed the stands

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctorindy View Post
    As mentioned, there is a difference between Bumpin' and rubbin' and straight up "Dirty Driving." Bristol was built on rubbin and hard-nosed driving. That's always been the best and most entertaining show. It also requires quite the skill to battle through. And guess what, sometimes they'd wreck. I think just about everyone classifies Earnhardt's Rattle his cage move in 1999 as in the "dirty" category, but it sure as hell packed the stands
    Agree 100% with every bit of that.

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    I liked the the way the track was pre1993 when it wasnt concrete, and it was a combination of the last 2 repaves of Bristol where there was good racing and bumping and banging thats the best Bristol.

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    SceneDaily:

    After selling out almost all of its races from the mid- to late-90s through 2006, attendance has plummeted in recent years. Many have attributed the decline to changes to the track surface that have led to a new, less dramatic style of racing. The 0.533-mile concrete oval was reconfigured with progressive banking and resurfaced in 2007, creating multiple racing grooves and allowing drivers to race side by side instead of the physical bumper-to-bumper action fans had become accustomed to

    Ooops.... so now they're admitting what everyone already knew, that the place hasn't been sold out for quite a few years now?


    So the attendance numbers have been fudged since 2006? Well I am shocked!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctorindy View Post
    As mentioned, there is a difference between Bumpin' and rubbin' and straight up "Dirty Driving." Bristol was built on rubbin and hard-nosed driving. That's always been the best and most entertaining show. It also requires quite the skill to battle through. And guess what, sometimes they'd wreck. I think just about everyone classifies Earnhardt's Rattle his cage move in 1999 as in the "dirty" category, but it sure as hell packed the stands
    Absolutely. The two images that come to mind when I think of Bristol are Mikey's accident and Dale 'rattlin' Terry's cage.

    The other lasting image was upon walking into the stands when there was no race and just being amazed at the spectacle of the facility itself. I really do have to make a race there. Shouldn't have too much trouble getting a ticket.
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