Let's see here Kiwi. A Penske car won. Dixie in second. Will dominating til pulled in on bad strategy. Briscoe up front and you know Dario is going to be there as well. Where was the next best thing sionce sliced bread at? Nothing happened to change my mind at all about things. ErnestOriginally Posted by kiwidwc
But, but, but......just wait till Lotus get's their act together and Rubens gets used to the series........
"Try some of these before or after your statements if you are not presenting them as facts. Things like - "In my opinion", or "I think that", JHMO, IMHO, IMO, JMO... Your opinions are not (necessarily) fact. That would clear things up some." - Seadog 03/25/2010 11:40am So the above is JMO.
Where are all the Rubens supporters now? They were pretty vocal before the race. ErnestBut, but, but......just wait till Lotus get's their act together and Rubens gets used to the series........
So, who were the top 10 and where did Dario finish?
Who cares about the top ten.
I think maybe RS2, considering that's where the question came from.
Easy to see who finished in the top ten, just need to look at the stats. Dario was not. One or two (pleasant) surprises in the top ten for me, but by and large its business as usual.
gonzo, I care about the top ten but only as a potential indicator of who is getting competitive for the top positions (supposedly - yeah I know the weakness of my argument...)
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I'm right here. I didn't realize I was on a time frame to answer. He did okay. Kept his nose clean and had a slight problem with the car, but he'll be okay.
No, you're not on a time frame to answer. But the point is this. I got raked over the coals for telling it like it is and you're the only one man enough to show back up. Props to you for doing so. And shame on all the others for not following your lead. Ernest
The jury is still out. People on either side of the argument were going to overreact after 1 race. I expect him to be much more competitive this weekend.
I dont necessarily disagree with the Rubens supporters who think he will be competitive this year and maybe win a race. I dont think that is unreasonable. All that yesterday showed is that IndyCar is a damn fine series with some damn fine race drivers with some challenging cars and tracks to get used to. You dont just walk in and run the show.
Now, the Rubens supporters who thought Rubens would simply walk in and dominate the series and take it to the Indycar elites, are complete rockheads and out of their mind and this season will make fools of all of them. Plain and simple.
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Why does one have to be a US citizens to have the same rights as you? Why are the US borders the dividing factor? What about state borders? Haven't people from Indiana done more for the sport than people from Oklahoma? Should they have more rights as a fan? People like you are so funny...It is basically the same as other extremist groups thinking they have more rights and are better than others (Muslim extremists for example).
You know Ernest I can sort of see why you argue this. When I come to the USA on my motorbike tour next year and if I manage to make it to your home town I'll have to sit down and have a friendly debate/discussion on this over a beer with you. I'm always on to listen to other's points of views even if I don't necessarily agree with it...
Well, who are these people?
Those who thought rubens would wipe the field on his first try? F1 elitists.
I'm an F1 elitist, but I never made that claim. I think Rubens will do reasonably well and would go out and say he would do better than someone from Indycar moving to a Williams or Lotus would do.
Thats really not a fair assessment. The separation of top teams / mid teams / back teams in F1 is worlds larger than indycar. A horrible car in Indycar, while you may not have a winning car, you can run the near the front if you got the right driver and hit on a setup. Besides not taking anything away from Rubens, real good driver but there are drivers in indycar if you stick them in a Red Bull or McLaren, they are winning races. Maybe not championships, although over time who knows, but they will win races. And I would say the same about Vettel, Hamilton or Alonso the other way around and think they would win races and championships in Indycar if on a good team.
I see your point, but it's not as bad as you think. Did you see Fred win on Sunday? Major surprise as Ferrari has been off the pace in pre-season testing and at the Australian Grand Prix. And Sergio Perez. What he did in the Sauber was breathtaking and this year the Williams looks a lot better in the hands of Pastor.
I guess the thing is we'll never really find out because no Indy Racing driver has ever had a chance to go to F1.
Rain is the great equalizer my friend, in a dry race absolutely no way Fernando and Perez go 1-2. No way Jose.
I know it's a great equalizer, but it didn't rain at all after the second start. And remember we have some pretty good rain meisters with Hammy, Jensen, Vettel, Schuey and Kimi.
Hey Ernest.........remind me again who won the pole, and who occupied the three steps of the podium at Barber.
"The Rookie" did much better today. Maybe he will prove me wrong. But history is on my side. Ernest
Hey Ernest, remind me again who won the pole and who won the race in Long Beach and who is one and two in the championship.
I think Rubens is in the top ten.
Get your head out of your past!!!
Its who I said it was going to be isn't it? The silence of Rubens supporters is now deafening. Where did they all go to? Is there a charter bus to Sao Paulo I'm not aware of? ErnestHey Ernest, remind me again who won the pole and who won the race in Long Beach and who is one and two in the championship.
P.S. Spot on about Justin Wilson as well. He was awesome the first third of the race.
Would it helped if I screamed and yelled?
How about all the Ruben supporters on this thread step up and admit they were wrong? That would help. Ernest
Haha, ya good one Ernest!
I wonder where Swaze is? Swaze........paging Dr. Swaze.
I think its too early to say that, frankly. He was just a couple laps on fuel away from a top 5 at Long Beach. The toughest thing for Rubens is learning the track. Long Beach and Barber both had rainouts on Friday, so he pretty much had just the session Saturday morning and qualifying to figure it out.
I didn't think he was going to come in and set the world on fire and make the series look silly, but I did, and still do think he will be very competetive.
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Would you admit he has been uncompetitive thus far?
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