And add Sonoma or Laguna Seca..... I am not a huge fan of Sonoma but it's the closest track I have. Although Laguna Seca would be wayyyyy more fun to go to again.Originally Posted by dlm1953
And add Sonoma or Laguna Seca..... I am not a huge fan of Sonoma but it's the closest track I have. Although Laguna Seca would be wayyyyy more fun to go to again.
Oops, meant to add that sadly there is probably no hope of either.
Bell Isle isn't leaving. Chevy wanted the race there and it had some very good corporate support this year.
This schedule would be great with one addition.
The gap between Fontana and Houston is too big. Add Kentucky on Sept. 22nd, the Trucks run on that weekend this year, so it could be viable. 8 ovals 12 road/streets would be OK with me.Unfortunately, it probably won't happen, but it'd be nice if it did.
That's why I called it a "dream schedule." I know how business works bub.
Yeah, I sorta picked the March 10th out of the air, the next weekend is Seabring and then after that is St Pete, and the schedule already pretty full in April, especially if they get Phoenix on the schedule. You would think Austin being a world class facility would be a good place to start off. ALMS is going to be there, but there aren't a lot of weekends the two series would care about, unless ALMS is okay with opening their season outside of Seabring. If they got the AMLS to open at Austin I wouldn't be surprised at a March 3rd date either. Maybe they start in March and the ALMS runs by themselves in May?
March 31 is Easter Sundayin 2013. I don't think that they will run a race that weekend. What weekend will the Alabama race be? Sorry if this has been talked about.
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It'd probably be held on April 7th. The race has been held on that weekend in 2010 & 2011, but I think it'd be a stretch to go from Alabama to Phoenix to Long Beach to Brazil in 4 straight weeks.
Yeah, I see that too, but Barber has a narrow window. They can't go farther into March because they might get into trouble with cold weather, and the organizers want the track to "Be in full bloom," for the race. The problem is Easter is the first Sunday in April, the Masters is the third and as you pointed out if they're on racing on the seventh that would make for four straight weekends with a lot of travel and a road-to-oval-to-street switch over. Maybe Phoenix would be a fall race? Maybe filling the gap between California and Houston? Since the fall NASCAR race isn't until the second weekend in November maybe they're looking at a September 15/22 date?
I haven't heard anything about 2013 and I've camped at every race Indycar race they've held. One of my friend's son's is driving in the karting event this weekend and I'll see if I can't shake anything loose from the people there.
So I added a Quebec in light of Randy's comment that they're looking at a third Canadian race.
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...-at-indycar/P2"I'm never going to rule out an extra race in Canada because I know some people (would) like to see that Canadian triple crown again," he said.
Just by way of background there was some interest with Andre Azzi who bailed on FAZZT two seasons ago and so that group is probably gone, but Tony Cotman, who put together Brazil, has been working with the city of Quebec and developing potential a potential course(s?) for three years now. Quebec is the only new street race I could see making the schedule next year. I think my read that Randy is wary of new street courses is correct.
"The one thing I've learned with street races, especially, is until there's a deposit made and a contract is signed, there's no truth to any of it," he said. "I don't care how far--you could be in your fourth stage of getting that baby, and on the last day, a politician [might not] want it.
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not sure about austin. might not happen unless F1 leaves and that unlikely, or if bernie suddenly changes his principles and wants Indycar to go faster around that track
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i hope they have road america back and circuit americas is on it. phoenix is a good idea.
Breaking news...
No RA or Michigan in 2013...
..negotiations in progress for an April stop in Phoenix., but the track is playing the "we dont know if we have enough time' game. ( 8 months apparently isnt enough)
"Cowboy" is open to China once again, but the with money up front this time. Ditto second Brazil date, guess TTA didnt get it the right with those 2 venues.
no linkie, your gonna have to wait for a confirm..and no I wont forget.
You are correct. Cavin tweeted this news this morning
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After the MIS guy turned himself into a clown with his asinine "high school" comments...
did you really think the Irish Hills were seriously back on the 2013 new track list?
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Why do you think RA won't have a race next year as well? Just less vocal about Randy being an idiot when it comes to filling a schedule, you would have to be a complete """""""" not to see the truth in others comments about him after the schedule debacle he has created this year.After the MIS guy turned himself into a clown with his asinine "high school" comments...
did you really think the Irish Hills were seriously back on the 2013 new track list?
and how do you know, no one has raced there yet. i'm saying that's is possibility and if it is true, bernie would never let IndyCar race there
Nothing here is all that surprising, or even insider. I've been posting about an April date for Phoenix since I noticed Long Beach moved back a week, and eight months isn't that much time to get a title sponsor and ticket sales program in place. I'll go as far as to say if they don't have title sponsor signed by Labor Day they loose money on the first race. Michigan hasn't ever been that seriously engaged and Road America has publicly said they're at least $100,000 apart on the sanctioning fee, probably more.
Who theare you calling a complete """"""""???
Randy has stated a bunch of times why Road America might not be on the 2013 schedule.... helping Andretti build up the Milwaukee Mile event. Please tell us if you are on the BoD's @RA... because last I checked the 2013 calendar was not released. If RA remains off the schedule perhaps we can all pi$$ on Randy then,eh?
I can understand "fans" engaging in the juvenile name calling of the Indycar CEO, but excuse me if I expect track officials to act like adults when conducting their business deals!!!
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Yes bernard said that but then when his a** is on fire over the china deal, what was one of the tracks he wanted to replace it?? RA. So that 'helping Milwaukee' dog dont hunt.Who the
Randy has stated a bunch of times why Road America might not be on the 2013 schedule.... helping Andretti build up the Milwaukee Mile event. Please tell us if you are on the BoD's @RA... because last I checked the 2013 calendar was not released. If RA remains off the schedule perhaps we can all pi$$ on Randy then,eh?
I can understand "fans" engaging in the juvenile name calling of the Indycar CEO, but excuse me if I expect track officials to act like adults when conducting their business deals!!!
I especially love the comments about helping an event grow, yet he himself screwed the pooch last year with that mcgrath character and he said we wont be back. Now that someone, that knows how to promote and is doing the work, now he'll support the event...just like a politician, speaking from both sides of his neck.
Im sorry to be the one to say, but no one, takes him seriously. And Im glad someone finally said it.
How many more screw ups do you need before calling a spade a spade???
are you sure about that
I am calling BS on Randy's target of 19 races for next year. Right now, we have 15 races. Assuming they all come back, we can expect Houston and Phoenix and maybe Pocono. So, I count 18 races at best, which is an improvement, but why does Randy make these assertions that he can't back up of targeting 19 races next year and 22 after that? Yeah, he may be close, but when you come up short to your stated goal time and time again, it isn't good enough.
And this year, he handled the possibility of a replacement race for China terribly. He publicly courted Texas, Road America and MIS, all to tell us that it's better they don't replace China on short notice (I think Road America with no sanction fee would be better than nothing). But, he at least implied that part of the reason for not wanting to push on Road America on short notice this year is because he is looking at it as a long term venue starting next year. Well, what a surprise today when he announced that he is not looking at Road America or MIS for next year as he wants to establish Milwaukee and Rat Isle. So, it seems like Randy basically lied when hinting at Road America for next year when he broke the news that it would not be on the schedule this year. I can go back to innumerable posts on this site supporting Randy in not rushing to Road America this year because it would be more solid for next year when it was expected to be on the schedule. Well, I never believed this, and now that this isn't the case, most people have forgotten about it.
And when we only have 17 races next year, people will support Randy again and explain away the reasonable target of 19 races. To be clear, I want more races, but I am not as annoyed with the lack of them as I am with Randy getting our hopes up and then going back on his word. By the way, when is that decision supposed to be made on aerokits? And how are we doing this year overall on viewership?
I want IndyCar to thrive, and I loathe Tony George, but from what I can tell, Randy is not doing a good job this year. And to those who say we shouldn't criticize him because it is a tough job and nobody has done a good job of it recently, that should not mean we just give Randy a free pass any more. I work long hours too, but I still get criticized at work, and I get paid to take that criticism and improve results and so does Randy.
From my memory the only time American open wheel and F1 have drive non the same track in the same year in the past 20 years was at Circuit Gilles Villeneuve in Canada. The last time Champ Car ran there was in 2006 where Bourdais' pole time was 6 seconds slower then Alonso's pole time in that same year. Everyone talks about Bourdais beating Da Matta's time at Laguna Seca but to I have a feeling Champ Car was going for the record and probably cut some corners on the DP-01 to make it happen.
Of course on ovals we'll never know since F1 doesn't drive on ovals.
Going back to the first paragraph. I remember the DP-01 and the Dallara were testing at Sebring on the same week or on the same weekend. The DP01 was about 3-4 seconds quicker per lap then the old Dallara chassis. From what we've seen the DW12 is anywhere from 2 seconds quicker then the IR07 to about dead even with it like at Toronto. That is with a huge power cut though for the DW12 and the cold DP01 created something like 750 HP (800 with P2P?) I think. Today's engines only make 625 HP with the "regular" boost but probably makes 665-670 (?) with P2P. So again there's a huge power difference. I have a feeling if today's chassis had 750 HP the DW12 might be quicker then the DP01 though part of my brain disagrees.
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I don't think he lied and let's not forget that Andretti Promotions did give Randy the green light to have the Road America race though even though the Milwaukee race does have a no competition clause in it. I personally think that Road America is still a strong possibility and the owner of Road America has stated that multiple times over and over again. I think the only thing that got in the way is that Road America had no sponsors (the ALMS does not have a race sponsor) but I think if there is time to plan and Indycar does come back a sponsor can be found. Most of Road America's sponsors are local and they realize how big the American open wheel is to the history of Road America mostly if it's combined with ALMS. Champ Car had a sponsor for years so why not now? As for Michigan....I don't think it'll happen.
If all 15 come back we'll have 16 with Houston. If the ICS does added Phoenix and Pocono there's 18, so all Randy has to do is get one more race. I'm not saying the series is in a place where they can pick and choose, but they're dedicated to putting more ovals on the schedule, and if they weren't they'd probably have the schedule out by now.
Fair enough, but we don't fully know the story
Have you checked out the workforce numbers lately? Not to be political, but the economy hasn't exactly recovered from the 2007/08 crash, and appears to be slacking. The mere fact that the series can continue, and has shown measurable growth, is a win.
My overarching point is that Randy should not make public statements building up our hopes only to not follow through and rationalize it away. And fans should stop doing the rationalizing for him like you are doing. I understand the economy is not great and that the series is not strong, but when the CEO says to expect RA and x number of races on the schedule and there is no RA on the schedule and only x - 2 number of races or to expect 20% increases in viewership and viewership is actually flat, he is creating his own problems.
I may have been harsh by using the word lied, but it is due to the cumulative effect of not meeting public proclamations. And Randy was about as clear as possible today that Road America will not be on the schedule next year.
Agreed. Randy seems to be getting in a habit these past several months of running his mouth with "promises" and "expectations" that are never delivered.
If he wants to keep talking about 19 races for next year that's fine but he better deliver. I've been a huge Randy supporter but after the "Plan B" fiasco and the aero-kits that probably won't happen......it's put up or shut up time.
When you keep talking in absolutes and making promises and then don't deliver, even the biggest supporters and apologists start to take not after a while and once you lose your supporters......
If Randy says the plan is for 19 races next year then he needs to deliver on his word. As an IndyCar fan 19 races would be great (hell I'd love 18 at this point) but anything less than 18/19 for next year would be a massive disappointment after all of the talk he has done about expanding the schedule.
My concern too is how is he going to get to 19? Fontana and Texas are both 50/50 at best for returning next year so it's likely we'll lose one of the two. That would mean he has to add Phoenix, Houston, and 2 or 3 more races. What doesn't make any sense is to kick Road America and Michigan to the curb yet again when they have said publicly that they want you to race there and in the past Randy has said he really wants to be there. When you say you want to grow the schedule to 19 races does it really make sense to come out this early and say no to RA and MIS when both of them have said they want you?
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