Agree. I found that posters who's racing knowledge and information was educational and had great insight made following them and TF an enjoyable part of the experience. Then I started readin CF and soon lost respect for some of those posters because of the far out politcal thought and extreme narrow mindedness displayed.Originally Posted by Brickman
Sad.
"Moralism is often the first strength of a weak mind"
-Norman Mailer-
Nothing divides the fan base more than the 'split'...one need only read the IndyCar forum to see that...things have, at times, been 'mucky' in that forum and both the Biz and Direction forum...let's not kid ourslves...
I think the distinction is that if you come to a forum about IndyCar racing, you can reasonably expect the split to come up as a topic from time to time. Abortion or the death penalty, not so much.
So, how is the "Test Group" behaving? Are we close to bringing this clinical trial out into the public. Just as we have a right to health care, we have a right to debate current events here.
Don't make me file a class action suit against TF for violating our rights. Otherwise we may have to Occupy Trackforum.
After years of fighting and a split, guess what, we are all IndyCar
October will always be a sad racing month for me. RIP Greg and Dan. You both were great and we miss you.
If the test group is the 4 or 5 usual posters in CE they are probably having a good ole time bashing Obama and giving each other high fives.So, how is the "Test Group" behaving? Are we close to bringing this clinical trial out into the public. Just as we have a right to health care
Don't make me file a class action suit against TF for violating our rights. Otherwise we may have to Occupy Trackforum.
You owe me a new monitor. Well done.Otherwise we may have to Occupy Trackforum.
I think it's going well. We purposely composed a group with a variety of backgrounds. Discussions have been active, intelligent and civil on all the usual topics. Not one post reported, as far as I can remember.So, how is the "Test Group" behaving? Are we close to bringing this clinical trial out into the public. Just as we have a right to health care
Don't make me file a class action suit against TF for violating our rights. Otherwise we may have to Occupy Trackforum.
Also many good suggestions for how to set up the "mechanics" - privileges, permissions, infractions, moderation. And we've looked at some other successful environments that take on controversy.
It should be said, too, that the balance of the membership here has been very patient, understanding, and helpful in the process as well. The experiment is as much about what happens on the rest of the board if CE was unavailable in terms of behavior and activity. Good data collected on that, too, so thank you to the membership. As always, you folks all make TF what it is.
"The series may be hesitant to say it, but the day is here for everybody that loves IndyCar racing to link arms and help each other out. Anybody who doesn’t want to do that needs to find something else to do with their time.”
-- Eddie Gossage, President, Texas Motor Speedway, ICONIC Advisory Committee & TrackForum member
I don't understand that logic.
I have DirecTV which has a wide variety of programming; there are dozens of porn channels and some strident religious channels that I choose to ignore. Not my thing but I don't have any issues with those who choose to tune in and I don't see porn or televangelists as a 'poor reflection on DirecTV.' I have a remote and I know how to use it. Same with CE - if you don't enjoy it, don't go there.
Quite a stab in the dark.
But very incorrect.
Cancer sucks.
This site is visited by tons of guests. This site is the main Indycar forum worldwide. Of course the CE reflects badly on TF.
The old CE did. At times. But the future looks bright
Hence the shades.The old CE did. At times. But the future looks bright
You saw that didja ?
It took me a long time to believe you. So I guess you gotta be patient with those whose perception was shaped by past experiences.The old CE did. At times. But the future looks bright
The old CE did. At times. But the future looks bright
It's only bright for the 1%. We, the 99% that have not been given our access to the CE forum, protest. It's not fair. We will be setting up tents and porta potties in Indy tonight. WE WILL OCCUPY TF!!!
Thanks for the update. I think we all can be more mature and better behaved on the CE forum. Hell, we survived the old Split/Bizz Fourm during the split. I even like Wilke now.
Of course, I have notice that the Media Boy forum has become rowdier since the CE forum went down.
People without lucid and cogent arguments often make comments such as this.
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.
There is a difference between Direct TV and a racing forum. Did Crapwagon's Dark Side impress sponsors of CART/Champ Car? Would CE do better or the same with the Indy Car fan base or sponsors?
“After a month there's a couple of tar balls and a sick bird? I thought this was the worst environmental disaster of all time?.” Wilke
And how many times has abortion or the death penalty come up on the racing forums...the split continues to create contentious attitudes on the IndyCar forum as well as the Biz and Direction forum...the subject of fans and ratings are often times related to the split...if true, my point is well taken...Syrian violence has nothing to do with the downfall of AOW, the split, probably so...
Not everybody is seeking to perpetuate the Split.
Not everybody sought to have it in the first place.
Most fans just have had to deal with it
"Each day well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness and every tomorrow a vision of hope. Look well therefore to this one day for it, and it alone, is life"
~ Sanskrit poem attributed to Kalidasa, "Salutation to the Dawn"
Brian's Wish
That's all true, but, you would agree that historically it has been the most divisive issue in AOW racing would you not...nothing on the CE forum ever came close...Not everybody is seeking to perpetuate the Split.
Not everybody sought to have it in the first place.
Most fans just have had to deal with it
Well said, I concur.
Makes no difference to me really in the long run. I won't go there any more regardless. Yes some friendships have been strained due to some's comments (most being cynical, sarcastic & condescending)...not views. The proof is a couple comments in this thread here.
Simply put, politics is dirty & ugly. Having a forum for such on a dedicated racing forum does bring the over-all site down. I don'y buy for a minute the argument that having that forum keeps those topics out of the racing forums. That's just a lame excuse.
There's plenty of other message boards that are dedicated to a specific topic or sport that are devoid of political conversations. The moderation here has been good enough for the most part to keep all other conversations in check, why lay-down for political discussions?!
Undoubtedly it can steer off potential sponsors. Look what it's done for some fans here alone.
My first Indy 500 was 1973, haven't missed one since 1981. To date I have attended 35 Indy 500's, and probably 100 or so other IndyCar races (CART & IRL).
My response would be that politics isn't ugly and dirty, but for some reason people treat it that way, or better yet use it that way. Maybe, in part, because it isn't always discussed in a civil setting and with all groups present.
But, once you see it for what it is, politics affect us all every day, and it's proper execution in our system really depends on people discussing it - so it just becomes a part of everyday life in the community - like puppies and food sometimes do
So in my opinion, it's not the topic, but rather the habits and policies we fall into, that cause the problem. What has been offensive in the past about the CE forum, and it's really been a long time, has been the antagonistic, us-vs-them crap, and using the twists and turns of the arguments to impugn, taunt, insult, and bait each other.
As we can see, that can happen anywhere
There have been some residual bad feelings on the CE forum. The test participants are dealing with that. I wish them well.
The CE forum as it is today is working just fine, proving that the problem wasn't the topic but rather some of the participants.
I would say that is premature reasoning, considering there is just a few members posting there now. And for the hundredth time, this is the premier Indycar racing forum that there is. So why should political talk be such an important aspect?
I agree 100% with your post.
I will agree with part two of the sentence but part one is wrong - there is no CE forum (as it is) today.
You just can't see it. It is there, with active topics and discussions.
Oh, yeah, kinda like "If we had some chips, we could have some chips and beer..........
if we had some beer."
Could be a placebo effect. After all this isn't exactly a blind experiment. All the current participants know the purpose of the 'experiment'. I would be surprised if everyone wasn't on their best behavior. Only time will tell.
Sifaka
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