"Moralism is often the first strength of a weak mind"
So, how is the "Test Group" behaving? Are we close to bringing this clinical trial out into the public. Just as we have a right to health care , we have a right to debate current events here.
Don't make me file a class action suit against TF for violating our rights. Otherwise we may have to Occupy Trackforum.
After years of fighting and a split, guess what, we are all IndyCar
October will always be a sad racing month for me. RIP Greg and Dan. You both were great and we miss you.
Also many good suggestions for how to set up the "mechanics" - privileges, permissions, infractions, moderation. And we've looked at some other successful environments that take on controversy.
It should be said, too, that the balance of the membership here has been very patient, understanding, and helpful in the process as well. The experiment is as much about what happens on the rest of the board if CE was unavailable in terms of behavior and activity. Good data collected on that, too, so thank you to the membership. As always, you folks all make TF what it is.
"The series may be hesitant to say it, but the day is here for everybody that loves IndyCar racing to link arms and help each other out. Anybody who doesn’t want to do that needs to find something else to do with their time.”
-- Eddie Gossage, President, Texas Motor Speedway, ICONIC Advisory Committee & TrackForum member
I have DirecTV which has a wide variety of programming; there are dozens of porn channels and some strident religious channels that I choose to ignore. Not my thing but I don't have any issues with those who choose to tune in and I don't see porn or televangelists as a 'poor reflection on DirecTV.' I have a remote and I know how to use it. Same with CE - if you don't enjoy it, don't go there.
The old CE did. At times. But the future looks bright
It's only bright for the 1%. We, the 99% that have not been given our access to the CE forum, protest. It's not fair. We will be setting up tents and porta potties in Indy tonight. WE WILL OCCUPY TF!!!
Thanks for the update. I think we all can be more mature and better behaved on the CE forum. Hell, we survived the old Split/Bizz Fourm during the split. I even like Wilke now.
Of course, I have notice that the Media Boy forum has become rowdier since the CE forum went down.
“After a month there's a couple of tar balls and a sick bird? I thought this was the worst environmental disaster of all time?.” Wilke
Not everybody is seeking to perpetuate the Split.
Not everybody sought to have it in the first place.
Most fans just have had to deal with it
"Each day well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness and every tomorrow a vision of hope. Look well therefore to this one day for it, and it alone, is life"
~ Sanskrit poem attributed to Kalidasa, "Salutation to the Dawn"
Makes no difference to me really in the long run. I won't go there any more regardless. Yes some friendships have been strained due to some's comments (most being cynical, sarcastic & condescending)...not views. The proof is a couple comments in this thread here.
Simply put, politics is dirty & ugly. Having a forum for such on a dedicated racing forum does bring the over-all site down. I don'y buy for a minute the argument that having that forum keeps those topics out of the racing forums. That's just a lame excuse.
There's plenty of other message boards that are dedicated to a specific topic or sport that are devoid of political conversations. The moderation here has been good enough for the most part to keep all other conversations in check, why lay-down for political discussions?!
My first Indy 500 was 1973, haven't missed one since 1981. To date I have attended 35 Indy 500's, and probably 100 or so other IndyCar races (CART & IRL).
My response would be that politics isn't ugly and dirty, but for some reason people treat it that way, or better yet use it that way. Maybe, in part, because it isn't always discussed in a civil setting and with all groups present.
But, once you see it for what it is, politics affect us all every day, and it's proper execution in our system really depends on people discussing it - so it just becomes a part of everyday life in the community - like puppies and food sometimes do
So in my opinion, it's not the topic, but rather the habits and policies we fall into, that cause the problem. What has been offensive in the past about the CE forum, and it's really been a long time, has been the antagonistic, us-vs-them crap, and using the twists and turns of the arguments to impugn, taunt, insult, and bait each other.
As we can see, that can happen anywhere
There have been some residual bad feelings on the CE forum. The test participants are dealing with that. I wish them well.
The CE forum as it is today is working just fine, proving that the problem wasn't the topic but rather some of the participants.
You just can't see it. It is there, with active topics and discussions.
Oh, yeah, kinda like "If we had some chips, we could have some chips and beer..........
if we had some beer."