Opening minutes of the 2nd, my faith has yet to be restored.
Opening minutes of the 2nd, my faith has yet to be restored.
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ugh...Flyers going into a bit of shell. Lead down to 4-3 with a lot of time left. Get back to playing hard! Pens w/o Letang may their D work...
Cripes!!! can't either of these goalies stop a puck! 5-4 Flyers, 4 minutes left in the 2nd.
Amazing. It must be good to be a neutral in this series.
Wake up call? Not even a goalie change did anything there!
I think Bylsma waited too long to make the switch.Originally Posted by Captain Spyro
Bryz has looked really shaky too. I wonder if Lavi would think about starting Bobrovsky just to "give him some work" in Game 4? Probably not, because if he playedreally well...all of a sudden you have a goalie controversey.
The game is over, thank you!
Pitiful. I couldn't believe it was possible to play worse than the first to game, but the Pens exceeded my expectations.
They were comparing goalies stats before the game and while Fleury was simply awful with a .800 save percentage for the series, Bryzgalov was not much better at .850.
Faster than a bullet from a gun
He is faster than everyone
Quicker than the blinking of an eye
Like a flash you could miss him going by
No one knows quite how he does it but it's true they say
He's the master of going faster. -George Harrison
What I don't understand is why Bobrovsky wasn't in the net against the Pens. He's a Penguin killer between the pipes! He's the one goalie that really had success against them. Luckily for Bryzgalov, Fleury had his head up his tail for this series. One more and we're done...
I left during the 3rd period, had an errand to run and put on my XM Center Ice feed. It was WIP out of Philly and the announcers were on there calling Crosby a crybaby and all kinds of names. Telling someone they should go find a pacifier for him. It was brutal. I really don't understand how announcers can be on the air with that kind of attitude. Plus, the last brouhaha's were pretty much instigated by Neal not Crosby. I watched the replay when I got back home and Crosby was trying to hold back Hartnell from going after Neal. Then I got to see the whole Craig Adams pulling Hartnell's hair fight...sheesh, I'm telling you the Penguins just embarassed me today. Five Pens tossed from the game: Letang, Asham, Engelland, Adams and Neal. Asham should be suspended. Neal ought to get at least one game for the flying elbow to Giroux's head.
While the Pens are really playing poorly I have news for the Flyers fans....you aren't going to get past the next team without a change in goal. Bryz is looking like swiss cheese....
I don't like Crosby because he has such good skill and physical conditioning, the size to play like a Jarome Iginla type power forward, then plays such a chippy and dirty game while crying about any retaliation that comes his way to the media and officials. Compound that with Crosby going out there and agitating, then having his teammates answer for his actions, he drives me nuts.
If Crosby, Ovechkin and Vancouver are gone in the first round, I will be happy. Wipe out the hype now.
"I kill for the code to disarm this mess..."
I love physical hockey with hitting, hatred, and hurting but this Flyers/Pens series is getting so far out of line that I have trouble watching it, and this after I started off with no real favorite between the two teams .
I've been enjoying hockey for over fifty years and I have always liked the fact that you have to answer the bell when you play the game, except in the past few years when players like Sid the Kid don't have to take responsibilities for their actions. Fighters don't generally attack star players but by the same code, the star players are expected to avoid acting in the agitator role. Crosby can't have it both ways.
But, the big question I have to resolve is whether I need to stay up until 3 AM to see Vancouver embarrass themselves against the Kings for the third straight game.
Remember Bobby Clarke? Wow he was a surgeon with a hockey stick and anyone who took offense had to get thru Schultz, Kelly, Dornhoefer et al first
Local announcers are usually paid employees of the team I believe, if the team isnt paying them the local radio station is so they are half announcer half cheer leader for the team paying them to talk. That being said, Flyers announcers have always been rough. The epitome of Homers
Saw some highlights tonight of some fights and retaliations. Hate to say it but I'd watch hockey if there was more of that.
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Slim, I can see where you'd come from having not watched the third period, but Neal had two real cheap shots at the head of both Couturier and Giroux. It's going to the head that was an issue. I honestly would not be surprised if he's at least fined. If it were the regular season, he would have sat a game. In the end I think the only one who will get suspended will be Asham, who is the one guy in all of this brouhahah who has the most respect for the game and who I honestly don't think intended for his stick to be up at Schenn's throat.
The Flyers announcers are Flyers-based but I wouldn't call Chris Therien one of those bonehead homer types. Those guys end up on TV. Therien is pretty good at calling it like it is which is probably why the Flyers keep him on radio (he's too honest against the Flyers at times, just like Larry Anderson on the Phils radio.)
Crosby's shoving away of the glove was childish and while it resulted in an overreaction it also should be beneath a player of his level. You didn't see Yzerman doing that.
I was stunned Fleury was in there after the second goal, and then the time out after three? Wrong move - Bylsma should have pulled Fleury to wake up the team. Instead, he didn't, and as a result the whole situation is a mess for the Pens.
BTW - starting Bobrovsky would have been like starting Chris Terreri against the Flyers in the Penguins and benching Brodeur (which was a regular season case early in Marty's career). Just because a guy has some regular season success does not wipe out the issues accrued the rest of the season so as to make a change for the #1 goalie in the playoffs. Bryz may be struggling but Bobrovsky has no business starting a game in net unless there is an injury.
What really hurt me about game 3 of Flyers/Pens wasn't just the poor play, but it was everything else. The game was just flat out dirty. I really expected better of the Pens today, especially after having to deal with the Islanders in a revenge game scenario after Brent Johnson broke Rick DiPietro's jaw last year. The following Pens/Islanders game was a bloodbath and the Flyers/Pens game was almost an exact mirror of that, except it seemed the Pens were the friggin instigators. Mario can NOT be happy about that display and I am sure he has a few words for his players. I'm sure I would if I was in his shoes cause it seems like Bylsma is not getting through to them.
It is just seriously disappointing cause following the Penguins through the regular season was extremely fun, and that was including both the highs and the lows. They were usually fun to watch, and I admired them when they showed perseverance through the injury problems. Now...I'm just embarrassed. I love the Pens still, but they need to look in the mirror NOW.
The Flyers have been the better team, even though they have had their flaws. What I want from the Pens is a good, skillful game of PENGUINS HOCKEY. None of this cheap chicken tough guy ****. I want flowing passes, hard shots, and breathtaking saves. What I want is for the Penguins to wake up. Win or lose: Game 4 HAS to be their best game period, regardless of result.
I really, really want a Dustin Brown jersey...or one of those "Sedin Sisters = 2 Girls, No Cup" shirts. I don't think that guy could have been better placed to be on TV than he was.
Asham got a match penalty, that should carry a suspension of some kind. Expect Adams to be suspended for Game 4 too, the instigator with Hartnall was with 4+ min left:
46.22 Fines and Suspensions – Instigator in Final Five Minutes of Regulation Time (or Anytime in Overtime) - A player who is deemed to be the instigator of an altercation in the final five (5) minutes of regulation time or at anytime in overtime (see 46.12) hall be suspended for one game, pending a review of the incident.
When the one-game suspension is imposed, the Coach shall be fined $10,000 – a fine that will double for each subsequent incident.
The suspension shall be served unless, upon review of the incident, the Director of Hockey Operations, at his discretion, deems the incident is not related to the score, previous incidents in the game or prior games, retaliatory in nature, “message sending”, etc. The length of suspension will double for each subsequent offense. This suspension shall be served in addition to any other automatic suspensions a player may incur for an accumulation of three or more instigator penalties.
No team appeals will be permitted either verbally or in writing regarding the assessment of this automatic suspension as all incidents are reviewed by the Director of Hockey Operations as outlined above.
Thanks for the clarification on Adams, D....
I did get to see the 3rd period when I got home from my errand. I saw what Neal did. It was inexcusable. Flying elbows to the head...jeez, did they not learn anything from Matt Cooke? Speaking of Cookie, he kept his nose clean yesterday while all this garbage was going on. I know he had words a few times but never dropped the gloves and I don't recall him cross checking anyone.
This series is not the team I watched all season long. It's like half the team turned into Darius Kasperitis and the remaining team is Matthew Barnaby wanna be's. Cheap and ugly.
I guess I'll be rooting on the Blackhawks. At least the Hawks/Coyotes games have been entertaining...or maybe that was the lack of sleep talking...Yes, I know, I saw the hit Shaw put on Mike Smith behind the goal....
Janes Neal to get two, separate, disciplinary hearings with Shanny and co. today.
Really surprised (impressed) that the NHL would do this, I think it has 100% to do with the fact that both shots were to the head. No way he plays Game 4 at this point. Asham's meeting is in person which is pretty much an auto suspension but I don't think anyone was expecting otherwise.
Nothing on Adams yet. It's possible he may get away with facing suspension. Could get away with it being an instigation on "defending a teammate" even tho it was Crosby grabbing Hartnell, not the other way around.
Does anyone else find it ironic that Shanny is the guy handing out the suspensions? I guess you do what you know best. LOL
Nealer should be suspended...what did Matt Cooke get for that last year? 10 games for a repeat offender? So Neal should be looking at 3 games, right?
I agree with the suspensions handed out so far and I am glad that the league is sticking to its guns regarding head shots even in the playoffs but..............................it just makes it that much more difficult to understand Shanahan's failure to take action against Weber, cause the $2500 fine ain't action. The other punishments handed out show that suspensions have been given even when the targeted player was not hurt, and that seemed to be the justification which Shanahan used in his decision regarding Weber.
Tough to claim that grabbing a player by the helmet and slamming his head into the glass hard enough to crack the helmet should not be seen as some sort of targeting the head.
Adams automatic one game suspension official, as is the mandatory fine to Bylsma.
Looks like it's going to be three casualties from the Pens from Game 3. That's an entire line Bylsma has to fill from the press box.
2nd period of Rangers/Sens game was just classic end to end hockey. Several minutes between whistles
Rangers win 1-0 What a game!
'nuff said
Go Sens. Should Philly get past the Penguins and teh Flyers face the Rangers it's season over. Lundqvist has been insane against the orange and black this year.
The Pens did really well against Hank this year....but Ottawa chewed us up. If it was the Pens, I'd be rooting for the Rangers to win...but I see your point. I'm too tired tonight to even look to see who the late game is. I have to get some sleep tonight.
Some of the cheap shots I have seen don't deserve suspensions, they should be charged with assault. Too much dirty play is going on and the refs and the league need to shut it down,
Flyers are winless against the NYR this year I think
You are correct. The Rangers swept the season series, including the Winter Classic at Citizens Bank. It pains me to say it, but Torts has them playing amazing D. I just finished watching them beat a determined Sens club and can't count the number of shots they blocked or deflected. Add that to the way King Henrik has played...the Rangers will be a tough out for anyone and they are in the Flyers heads just like Philly is to the Pens.
Slim, WIP is a joke. I don't know the broadcast team anymore, but their sports talk has been juvenile, trashy, and stupid for years. They were the ones who organized the booing of D. McNabb on draft day. Those bright lights wanted Ricky Williams...
After paying Bryz a $51 MM contract, he's the horse they have to ride unless he's hurt. Bob did/does dominate the Pens, but goalies have such fragile psyches sometimes. Maybe Lavi could go to Bryz and tell him he just wants Bob to get a start with them up 3-0, but it has the potential to backfire in many ways.
KevMcNJ, home announcers are usually pretty much homers by definition. The guy who did not fit that (IMO) was the late, great Gene Hart. Yes, he was an integral part of the BSB days and beyond, but he was solid and superb behind the mic. His daughter Lauren is the one who often sings the anthem at home games and does the live/tape "duet" of God Bless America with Kate Smith. Gene will always be Flyers hockey for me.
Game 3 - Game 4 thoughts...They've announced Adam's 1-gm suspension, I can't imagine that Shanaban is inviting Neal and Asham to NYC just to talk. All three will miss at least Game 4. I really hope Game 4 goes more like Games 1 and 2, good hard, physical play, but w/o the cheap shots and knuckleheadedness. Oh, and some actual decent goalie play would be nice. The most amazing thing has been to see the Flyers keep their composure, and the Pens lose theirs. The only Flyers who've gone psycho have been Simmonds (a little) and Rinaldo (a lot). I'd like to see Lavi dress Jody Shelley and sit out Rinaldo. Be prepared if there is rough stuff, but Rinaldo is too much of a loose cannon.
Echoing AHL's comments. I hate reading the stuff on Philly blogs, and the trollers on the Pen blogs, about "Cindy Crysby" and "Elaine Malkin"...blah, blah, blah. It's crap. They are two supremely talented players. However, they do a lot of sneaky crap and they are both huge guys. When Clarkie was stirring things up, he was a little pest...and he would do battle, there just were a lot of his teammates willing to take up his cause. I have no problem with Sid saying he hates the entire Flyer team (even Talbot?), I want my players to hate the enemy until the last whistle, then line up and shake their hand. But the bit with the glove, c'mon...Gretzky doesn't do that, neither does Yzerman, or Messier...and getting in and instigating without wanting to drop the gloves? That's why the place went nuts when G went with him. Neither one of them should be fighting, they've both missed time with concussions, but G was willing to do the "right thing" according to the code. Too many times, fans of everyone other than the Pens see Sid and Geno buy into their press clippings instead of doing what is "right".
Well, that's enough... If you think any of the Philly folks are tough on the Pens, read this from one of the Pittsburgh writers.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_791501.html
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