Rarely can you fix anything by making it more compliacted. Usually the best solutions are the simple ones. Invert by points. Easy. You know the starting order for the next race the minute the checkered flag falls. No math, no sliding scales, no equivilency formulas, no B & M and no crying. Take the points table and turn it upside down. Easy, and it would work.
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"The IRL's future should be good, but it can't be the grass-roots series Tony George envisioned. That was a wet dream." - Bobby Unser
My problem with messing with qualifying is that I don't think it actually accomplishes much, at least not as far as improving ratings and attendance are concerned. So far the product has been pretty entertaining, as least insofar as is adjustable via qualifying format changes. Sure, road racing may not be someone's particular brand of vodka, but as road racing goes, it's been entertaining. Finding ways to sell that interesting product to viewers is the trick.
At some point, you can have to go out and sell your product, rather than trying to maneuver your product into the path of perceived demand through a strong of tweaks and compromises. One path gives you cars like the Cadillac CTS. The other gives you the Pontiac Aztek. You may not all love the CTS, but pretty much nobody loved the Aztek.
IndyCar should ways be looking for ways to improve the product, sure, but so far this year, that seems to be mostly taking care of itself. They need to focus their energy on selling that solid product to the public.
Faster than a bullet from a gun
He is faster than everyone
Quicker than the blinking of an eye
Like a flash you could miss him going by
No one knows quite how he does it but it's true they say
He's the master of going faster. -George Harrison
This is motorsports...with all do respect, that isn't a very good idea.
First thing that comes to mind is part timers. Obviously some idea could be reached, but it just becomes more and more complicated, confusing, and fake. 1/2 the people on message boards can't even comprehend why INDYCAR alternates positions 13 thru 26 based off of which qualifying group you came out of.
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...and let's just draw the winner's name out of a hat too
I understand what Ernest is trying to do here. I agree there is a problem when your fastest teams always start first, but this isn't new to auto racing. I also get Ernest's comparison with other pro sports in that if the Yankees or Patriots always got first pick in the draft or home field advantage, it would distance them even more than the rest of the field.
True. The series would have to figure out a way to compensate for the excitement and entertainment value of qualifying the day prior to a race. Maybe give out extra points for testing session speeds?Originally Posted by PenelopePitstop
Arrowz, Yes it is a mistake to compare stick and ball sports to IndyCar. For you see, stick and ball sports have millions of fans and excellent television ratings. We who love AOWR are dinosaurs who are slowly dying out. Thats the simple truth. And unlike others, I'm trying to think of ways to regenerate the excitement. The NFL draft is coming up and millions of football fans will be watching. What is wrong with taking ideas from sucessful sports and trying in some way to implement them into ours? Not only would the draft concept work, it evens the playing field for great drivers like Justin Wilson who through no fault of their own are mired mid pack each and every week. I for one found it extremely exciting to watch Justin rocket away from the field the first third of the race. With my concept, you give good drivers with weak teams a chance to shine. Its fair. And in closing, you might want to come up with a new definition of a troll such as mine, "A poster who comes to a thread, adds no new ideas and comes just to insult the person who started the thread. And then continues to come back day after day." Regards, Ernest
I also figure the last place guy from the year before could sure use a break.
Short tracks use an inverted start all the time. When I was karting, local events drew for the first heat, invert the finishing order for the second, and then line up by event points for the third. Any ties in points would be broken by who signed up first.
Of course, there was the time I "lost" a race like that to Geroge Hall. We were jawing it up standing in line that morning, waiting to sign up and never dreaming what we were getting ourselves into. It was a weird event with people crashing, blowing up, etc. At the end George and I each had a win, a second and a zero, which was unbelievably enough to win.
George signed up just before me, so he was the winner. Of course, this wasn't good enough for George. He knew I would ride him forever that the only way he could "beat" me was by getting in line sooner, so he insisted we go head to head in a match race. This was good enough for me because I loved banging wheels with George, and of course everyone else loved it because George and I usually leaned on each other like we actually weren't friends.
In the end we made three laps until George blew a tire rubbing it on my frame, and we both crashed out pretty heavily. I'm still not sure how the winner was resolved because George and I picked ourselves up and headed out to Diamond Dolls right afterwards.
My local McDonalds sells a helluva lot more hamburgers than the quality steakhouses/restaurants in the same general area. Even the McNasty's clown wouldn't claim that the Golden Arches have the best 'burgers in the area. I'm not the only one telling you that your concept is seriously flawed. Apples & oranges... hell more like apples & watermelons!!!
IIRC, Justin Wilson battled for the lead @LBGP. Nice to know you consider battling for P1 "mid-pack".
No, trolls toss out complete nonsense & argue the most bizarre details. You throw opinions out as fact & almost NEVER concede anything... you IMO, are always arguing with yourself.
ESPN will have a 3 hour NFL Schedule show tonight I would rather encourage my dog to have the trots on a white carpet than listen to more than 20 minutes of a 3 hour schedule show!!!
The same NFL slappies will ignore their family to watch the NFL draft. Back in my youthful days the HS band geeks, along with the D&D nerds were just hammered by the "cool" kids that mocked their hobby. IMO, fantasy baseball guys, "fans" watching the NFL draft & the numerous 360 day coverage of football shows are 100 times WORSE than those previously mentioned geeks & nerds. Motorsport has never been a "mainstream" sport in the USA & your gimmicks would only alienate the existing, loyal base that does exist or is being cultivated.
Some "ideas" are so ill-conceived that they are, on their face, without merit and therefore do not warrant further discussion or analysis. This is one of those ideas.